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Posted by spampot on Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:52 AM    Post subject: Re: messy



That's what turpentine is for, Mirjam! Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote: [quote:62eced1898]ps another experience ,,,, lean on a
pine tree ,,,,,something will stick to your clothes ,,, only way to undo it is by Chlor ,, which will turn your clothes
into tie & dye without the trouble of the tie part. mirjam When I was a kid, my cousin thought it was great fun
when we 'city slickers' came in to get us to hull walnuts and then laugh like crazy when we couldn't get our hands
clean. -- -Cozy [/quote:62eced1898]

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Posted by Mirjam Bruck-Cohen on Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:37 AM    Post subject: Re: messy

ps another experience ,,,, lean on a pine tree ,,,,,something will stick to your clothes ,,, only way to undo it is by
Chlor ,, which will turn your clothes into tie & dye without the trouble of the tie part. mirjam
[quote:455c64e451]When I was a kid, my cousin thought it was great fun when we 'city slickers' came in to get us to hull
walnuts and then laugh like crazy when we couldn't get our hands clean. -- -Cozy[/quote:455c64e451]

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Posted by Mirjam Bruck-Cohen on Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:28 AM    Post subject: Re: messy

Spampot , i had Chlor for others things , turpentine makes me sick even smelling it from afar ,,,,,, anyway turpentine
doesn`t disolve this Pine tree `glue` ,,,several of my friends tried :<:<:<:< [quote:4d987030a3]That's
what turpentine is for, Mirjam! Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote: ps another experience ,,,, lean on a pine tree ,,,,,something
will stick to your clothes ,,, only way to undo it is by Chlor ,, which will turn your clothes into tie & dye
without the trouble of the tie part. mirjam[/quote:4d987030a3]

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View entire thread: New Designer - Fabri'kate
Posted by alex_ferguson on Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:53 PM    Post subject: New Designer - Fabri'kate

My mum's selling some of her clothes on eBay, as part of her label, Fabri'kate. Check them out and spread the word!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170041709449&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170041717306&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

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View entire thread: OT:Sad News
Posted by Kate G. on Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:44 AM    Post subject: Re: OT:Sad News

Thinking of you.... Bring WARM clothes... it is cold here this week... and looks to stay that way for a while longer!
Where in MI are you headed? Travel safely.... Kate in MI http://community.webshots.com/user/K_Groves --
"steve" <stevenc707@gci.net> wrote in message news:12j34iqevlq6s63@corp.supernews.com...
[quote:3202654ebd]Hello all I'll be off-line for a couple of weeks. I am off to Michigan as I just found out that my
dad (68 years young) died this morning of a heart attack while hunting in Colorado. I'm not much on religion any more
but my family and I could sure use your good thoughts at this time. Thanks Steve Alaska [/quote:3202654ebd]

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View entire thread: OT: update on DD's surgery
Posted by IMS on Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:24 AM    Post subject: OT: update on DD's surgery

DD's skin graft surgery yesterday went very well, doctor said he was pleased with both how the burn wound looked (she
had gone a good job of caring for it these last few weeks) and how the grafting went. The surgery was two hours and
then almost two hours in recovery and in the out patient area, until doctor gave the Ok to go home. Didn't get home
until 6:30 and we were all beat. Today has been up and down with her getting used to using crutches (to get to the
bathroom), and as the anesthesia and other drugs clear out of her system the pain has been pretty pronounced, especially
in the area they took the graft from. But the doctor said this would be the case. (She opted for them to take the graft
from the same leg as the burn wound, so she has one leg really painful; and one that doesn't hurt.) We have to go to
the doctor tomorrow because it looks like the splint he put on the leg is rubbing against her ankle; it is giving her a
lot of pain. He'll move it so she won't get an ulcerated spot there. I did about 100 loads of laundry today - LOL -
mostly DD's as she had a mountain of unwashed clothes & we couldn't get to one side of the bed! Geesh! Hugs to all
of you who offered good wishes and kept her in your prayers. -Irene -------------- You only live once, but if you do
it right, once is enough. --Mae West --------------

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Posted by polly esther on Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:46 AM    Post subject: Re: update on DD's surgery

Thank you, Irene. I'd been hoping and watching to see if you could grab a minute to share with us. Things may have
changed lots in the treatment of burns and skin grafts but when we had that to deal with, the treatment was frequent
bathtub soaking. The only way I could keep the patient 'tubbed' was to hand him fudgscicles. I am not a good nurse -
if the patient cries, I cry with them. Holding you so close in our hearts and prayers, Polly "IMS"
<iscott@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message news:bgqeg2tcpg1temt1005gat4ntvv8acce0j@4ax.com... DD's skin graft surgery
yesterday went very well, doctor said he was pleased with both how the burn wound looked (she had gone a good job of
caring for it these last few weeks) and how the grafting went. The surgery was two hours and then almost two hours in
recovery and in the out patient area, until doctor gave the Ok to go home. Didn't get home until 6:30 and we were all
beat. Today has been up and down with her getting used to using crutches (to get to the bathroom), and as the
anesthesia and other drugs clear out of her system the pain has been pretty pronounced, especially in the area they took
the graft from. But the doctor said this would be the case. (She opted for them to take the graft from the same leg as
the burn wound, so she has one leg really painful; and one that doesn't hurt.) We have to go to the doctor tomorrow
because it looks like the splint he put on the leg is rubbing against her ankle; it is giving her a lot of pain. He'll
move it so she won't get an ulcerated spot there. I did about 100 loads of laundry today - LOL - mostly DD's as she had
a mountain of unwashed clothes & we couldn't get to one side of the bed! Geesh! Hugs to all of you who offered good
wishes and kept her in your prayers. -Irene -------------- You only live once, but if you do it right, once is
enough. --Mae West --------------

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Posted by Kate Dicey on Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:37 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: update on DD's surgery

IMS wrote: [quote:44543c1ce2]DD's skin graft surgery yesterday went very well, doctor said he was pleased with both how
the burn wound looked (she had gone a good job of caring for it these last few weeks) and how the grafting went. The
surgery was two hours and then almost two hours in recovery and in the out patient area, until doctor gave the Ok to go
home. Didn't get home until 6:30 and we were all beat. Today has been up and down with her getting used to using
crutches (to get to the bathroom), and as the anesthesia and other drugs clear out of her system the pain has been
pretty pronounced, especially in the area they took the graft from. But the doctor said this would be the case. (She
opted for them to take the graft from the same leg as the burn wound, so she has one leg really painful; and one that
doesn't hurt.) [/quote:44543c1ce2] I can understand wanting to keep all the pain in one place! :) [quote:44543c1ce2] We
have to go to the doctor tomorrow because it looks like the splint he put on the leg is rubbing against her ankle; it is
giving her a lot of pain. He'll move it so she won't get an ulcerated spot there. [/quote:44543c1ce2] Grr! Hope that
gets fixed. [quote:44543c1ce2] I did about 100 loads of laundry today - LOL - mostly DD's as she had a mountain of
unwashed clothes & we couldn't get to one side of the bed! Geesh! [/quote:44543c1ce2] ARGH! I don't think girls are
any better than boys in this respect. I've taken to threatening to bin anything that doesn't make it to the laundry
basket in James's room, and if that means something he needs, HE replaces it. He owes me £3 for replacing his school
tie, abandoned on the bus on Monday afternoon... [quote:44543c1ce2] Hugs to all of you who offered good wishes and kept
her in your prayers. [/quote:44543c1ce2] She and you are still there! :) -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des
Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and
explore!

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Posted by Patti on Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:45 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: update on DD's surgery

This is sounding good, Irene - well, mostly! I do hope the graft will take well, and grow gently, so that she will be
fine in the end. .. In message <bgqeg2tcpg1temt1005gat4ntvv8acce0j@4ax.com>, IMS <iscott@twcny.rr.com>
writes [quote:c2d4e0f3f8]DD's skin graft surgery yesterday went very well, doctor said he was pleased with both how the
burn wound looked (she had gone a good job of caring for it these last few weeks) and how the grafting went. The
surgery was two hours and then almost two hours in recovery and in the out patient area, until doctor gave the Ok to go
home. Didn't get home until 6:30 and we were all beat. Today has been up and down with her getting used to using
crutches (to get to the bathroom), and as the anesthesia and other drugs clear out of her system the pain has been
pretty pronounced, especially in the area they took the graft from. But the doctor said this would be the case. (She
opted for them to take the graft from the same leg as the burn wound, so she has one leg really painful; and one that
doesn't hurt.) We have to go to the doctor tomorrow because it looks like the splint he put on the leg is rubbing
against her ankle; it is giving her a lot of pain. He'll move it so she won't get an ulcerated spot there. I did about
100 loads of laundry today - LOL - mostly DD's as she had a mountain of unwashed clothes & we couldn't get to one
side of the bed! Geesh! Hugs to all of you who offered good wishes and kept her in your prayers. -Irene
-------------- You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough. --Mae West -------------- [/quote:c2d4e0f3f8]
-- Best Regards pat on the hill

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Posted by Taria on Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:37 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: update on DD's surgery

Hope each day gets better Irene. Keeping good thoughts for you all. Hugs, TAria IMS wrote: [quote:5a65f15631]DD's
skin graft surgery yesterday went very well, doctor said he was pleased with both how the burn wound looked (she had
gone a good job of caring for it these last few weeks) and how the grafting went. The surgery was two hours and then
almost two hours in recovery and in the out patient area, until doctor gave the Ok to go home. Didn't get home until
6:30 and we were all beat. Today has been up and down with her getting used to using crutches (to get to the bathroom),
and as the anesthesia and other drugs clear out of her system the pain has been pretty pronounced, especially in the
area they took the graft from. But the doctor said this would be the case. (She opted for them to take the graft from
the same leg as the burn wound, so she has one leg really painful; and one that doesn't hurt.) We have to go to the
doctor tomorrow because it looks like the splint he put on the leg is rubbing against her ankle; it is giving her a lot
of pain. He'll move it so she won't get an ulcerated spot there. I did about 100 loads of laundry today - LOL - mostly
DD's as she had a mountain of unwashed clothes & we couldn't get to one side of the bed! Geesh! Hugs to all of you
who offered good wishes and kept her in your prayers. -Irene -------------- You only live once, but if you do it
right, once is enough. --Mae West --------------[/quote:5a65f15631]

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View entire thread: OT: Away for awhile
Posted by nzlstar* on Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:17 AM    Post subject: Re: Away for awhile

what about the rest of us in the 'International Federation of Everyone Not Named Barbara'?? every other day, that
often??? i was thinking maybe once a month or so was enough. a bit like housekeeping, you can spend all day washing,
dusting, ironing, cleaning, mopping, scrubbing and where does it get you. no one notices its clean, they only notice it
when its dirty or they run out of clean clothes. so you work your fingers to the bone and you gotta do it all over
again in 6 months. :)) i'm just really fed up with it frankly. let them cook their own food, wash their own clothes and
help with cleaning up that which everyone contributes to. grumble, mumble, grrrrrrr look after #1 first and the rest
will have a happier day too. hugz, jeanne n.b. this applys to those old enough to know better, not talking about babys
here. geez, i'm not that mean. -- san-fran at ihug dot co dot nz nzlstar on yahoo msg'r nzlstar on webshots
gen.gen.co.nz "NightMist" wrote... [quote:69ef1c3d36]As Chairperson of the International Federation of
Barbaras, I can assure you that locking everyone in the closet to ensure sufficient Barbara Time is an accepted and
approved means of carrying on. It is also a time honored technique for putting people on hold so that you can keep them
out from underfoot and get stuff they are nagging about actually done. It is also recomended that you only be
Superwoman every other day. NightMist Barbara In Chief On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:19:56 GMT, "Polly Esther"
mistercleen@mindspring.com> wrote: Being Super Woman for everything and everybody will make you meaner than a junk
yard dog. Schedule some time for Barbara and take it - even if you have to shove every one in a closet. Trust me.
Polly "Bobbie Sews More" wrote > No, I'm not going anywhere. It's just that life is catching up to me
and I'm getting that panic feeling where I know I have way too many things to get done and not enough time to do them.
Sister is also sick, might be having seizures, and I am taking her to some of her doctor appointments. DH isn't supposed
to drive until after next Monday and his follow-up appointment from his surgery, son will be up from FL in a few more
days, and I still have a lot of cleaning to do before we can sell mom's house and get her estate settled. I'll still be
around the house, so don't even THINK of a stash raid! Although I probably wouldn't miss anything! Barbara in SC --
The wolf that understands fire has much to eat.[/quote:69ef1c3d36]

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View entire thread: OT: WHHOOOOoooo!
Posted by Liz from Humbug on Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:19 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: WHHOOOOoooo!

Joan E. wrote: [quote:6928813624]Liz from Humbug wrote: so I wore a pig nose, carried a plastic spider on my shoulder,
pinned copies of "Some Pig" and "Terrific" webs on the front and back of my pink sweater and went as
Wilbur from Charlotte's Web. It's amazing how many smiles a person gets wearing a pig snout at work. :-))) *Great*
costume, Liz!!! Our director, on the 30th, sent out a message asking that no one wear costumes to work. Fuddy-duddy!!!
Too bad, since I just *might* have come dressed as a "professional" as I did once years back and wear a dress
to work, instead of my usual jeans! Joan [/quote:6928813624] Fortunately, we're still allowed to wear costumes to the
library - at least on Halloween. When I stopped by to copy the Charlotte's Web pictures, the librarian was
"Autumn" - autumny clothes with lots of leaves and fall colors, with an autumny wreath on her head, and her
assistant (since I'm off on Tuesdays) was a "sort of" witch with a black dress and witchy type hair, but not a
hat, since we were asked not to wear scary costumes. :-) I was going to mail you the pear I expected to get at our
product demonstration for the Harry & David returnees, but they didn't give us one this year. Instead, they gave us
pieces of several items - a piece of a pear, a piece of Rogue Valley Creamery blue cheese, Red Velvet Cake, Snowball
cake, two kinds of brittle and a chocolate cherry. More filling, but nothing we could take with us to mail to a friend.
:-))) As it turns out, the World Series was good for Jackson & Perkins this year since they have a couple different
"Cardinal" thingies (a door mat & a small live tree with a cardinal on top) that Cardinal fans were
ordering to celebrate the win. :-))))) I'm just glad that I'm still doing mail order entry and don't have to answer the
phones. The people that are really good at it love it, but I just didn't like stress of having someone on the other end
of the line when something didn't go exactly right with the order. Mail order entry is much less stressful. They even
had an organic harvest this year in one of their orchards. The hours take a big chunk out of my stitching time, though,
between now & Christmas. My movie time too. I'm going to have to start in on my Christmas movies soon to be sure I
have enough time to get to watch them all. DH will watch an occasional one, but I try to watch most of them when he's
at work. I've watched them all sooooooo many times that I can easily stitch and not really miss much of the movie if my
head is down. :-))) I'm hoping to get three Halloween table runners done (Dutch Treats, again) in time to mail them to
my sisters for Christmas. We'll see. :-) Happy Stitching! Liz from Humbug

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Posted by Karen C - California on Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:13 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: WHHOOOOoooo!

Liz from Humbug wrote: [quote:8732b65c89]the librarian was "Autumn" - autumny clothes with lots of leaves and
fall colors, with an autumny wreath on her head [/quote:8732b65c89] Idea filed away for next year..... -- Karen C
- California www.CFSfacts.org where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Finished 10/30/06 - Bouncing Tigger mini
WIP: baby and housewarming gifts, July birthstone, Flowers of Hawaii (Jeanette Crews) for ME!!! Retrieved from UFO pile:
Marbek's Snow Angel LTR: Fireman's Prayer (#2), Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe
Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html

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Posted by MelissaD on Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:22 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: WHHOOOOoooo!

I'm just curious Liz as to where in Southern Oregon are you? I have several friends and relatives living in Ashland,
Jacksonville and Medford - and my friend in Medford temps all year for David and Harry....it was fun using her
employee discount in the retail shop last visit - Moose Munch is divine! MelissaD "Liz from Humbug"
<lizh@vsisp.net> wrote in message news:1162527555.646392.263460@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
[quote:d7459ffcaf]Joan E. wrote: Liz from Humbug wrote: so I wore a pig nose, carried a plastic spider on my shoulder,
pinned copies of "Some Pig" and "Terrific" webs on the front and back of my pink sweater and went as
Wilbur from Charlotte's Web. It's amazing how many smiles a person gets wearing a pig snout at work. :-))) *Great*
costume, Liz!!! Our director, on the 30th, sent out a message asking that no one wear costumes to work. Fuddy-duddy!!!
Too bad, since I just *might* have come dressed as a "professional" as I did once years back and wear a dress
to work, instead of my usual jeans! Joan Fortunately, we're still allowed to wear costumes to the library - at least
on Halloween. When I stopped by to copy the Charlotte's Web pictures, the librarian was "Autumn" - autumny
clothes with lots of leaves and fall colors, with an autumny wreath on her head, and her assistant (since I'm off on
Tuesdays) was a "sort of" witch with a black dress and witchy type hair, but not a hat, since we were asked
not to wear scary costumes. :-) I was going to mail you the pear I expected to get at our product demonstration for the
Harry & David returnees, but they didn't give us one this year. Instead, they gave us pieces of several items - a
piece of a pear, a piece of Rogue Valley Creamery blue cheese, Red Velvet Cake, Snowball cake, two kinds of brittle and
a chocolate cherry. More filling, but nothing we could take with us to mail to a friend. :-))) As it turns out, the
World Series was good for Jackson & Perkins this year since they have a couple different "Cardinal"
thingies (a door mat & a small live tree with a cardinal on top) that Cardinal fans were ordering to celebrate the
win. :-))))) I'm just glad that I'm still doing mail order entry and don't have to answer the phones. The people that
are really good at it love it, but I just didn't like stress of having someone on the other end of the line when
something didn't go exactly right with the order. Mail order entry is much less stressful. They even had an organic
harvest this year in one of their orchards. The hours take a big chunk out of my stitching time, though, between now
& Christmas. My movie time too. I'm going to have to start in on my Christmas movies soon to be sure I have enough
time to get to watch them all. DH will watch an occasional one, but I try to watch most of them when he's at work.
I've watched them all sooooooo many times that I can easily stitch and not really miss much of the movie if my head is
down. :-))) I'm hoping to get three Halloween table runners done (Dutch Treats, again) in time to mail them to my
sisters for Christmas. We'll see. :-) Happy Stitching! Liz from Humbug [/quote:d7459ffcaf]

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View entire thread: Waste canvas
Posted by mickey on Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:09 PM    Post subject: Re: Waste canvas

Carol In WI wrote: [quote:60426a1b8a]Someone graphed a picture for me, I want to put it on a hooded sweat shirt, how
would I center it on this sweat shirt, is there waste canvas that comes in different size like cross stitching? Is
there a site that can help calculate these things? Thanks, Carol In WI [/quote:60426a1b8a] I'm not certain that I
understand exactly what you're asking about waste canvas, but I might be able to help w/centering the design. Since
you have a graph, I assume you know the number of stitches in both directions; let's use 100 stitches wide by 100
stitches long. If you use 14-count waste canvas, your design would be a about 7.1 inches in each direction (that is,
100 stitches/14 stitches per inch). So, what I would do, is cut out a piece of paper that is the size of your stitched
area (7.1 inches by 7.1 inches), lay your sweatshirt out, then place your paper where you think the center is. Just
"eyeball" the center. Once that's placed, you can measure the distance from the edge of the piece of paper
to the edge of your sweatshirt in each direction. Then, I would think it should be fairly easy to "fiddle"
with the placement of the paper until you have the same distance from the right edge of the paper to the right seam of
the sweatshirt as you do from the left edge of the paper to the left seam of the sweatshirt. Same for top and bottom.
At least I use the a similar process for placing designs on the center of towels or bread clothes. I find I generally
can't count the threads as accurately, as I can use a paper template. Also, if it's pleasing to you, does it matter if
the design is perfectly centered? After all, who is going to come up to you and measure your sweatshirt while you're
wearing it? <grin> I hope this helps! (BTW, where are you in WI? I lived in Madison for 6 years, and
completely love that town!) -- --Mickey Edmonton, AB to reply: mickey18385 at yahoo dot com

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View entire thread: Hand embroidery technique needed.
Posted by Jere Williams on Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:39 PM    Post subject: Re: Hand embroidery technique needed.

I remember years and years ago, I made a large Raggedy Ann doll for my daughter, and then made matching clothes for the
doll and daughter. Anyway, the doll's hair was done in turkey work in red yarn. It looked so nice when it was done,
and wasn't really difficult. Gosh, that was a long time ago -- it was for dd's 3rd birthday, and she's 32 now. --
Jere "Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote in message news:4l34rdF1jmeU1@individual.net...
[quote:69babf40e1]Twinsmom wrote: Try here:
http://www.prettyimpressivestuff.com/stitches/Turkey_files/Turkey_frames.htm or
http://webstitch.designwest.com/stitch02.html#turkey1 Hope this helps! Carolyn Cindy wrote: I have a needlepoint that
calls for some hand embroidery to complete the canvas. ( Its a christmas stocking) However, somewhere along the line, I
have misplaced the instuctions on how to do one certain technique. It is a "fringe" like seem on the end of a
scarf or on a table cloth done with floss. I have done this crewel stitch many years ago on another hand embroidery
piece that had a tablecloth on it as the fringe. Can anyone pint me in the right direction on how to do this? I tried
Google without good results. Thanks Cindy Great links Carolyn :-)! CINDY -- IMNSHO, that second link is *really*
good because it clearly shows the ground threads of the needlework fabric. With Turkey Work, you want to keep the
stitches as close together as possible; once completed, you can cut the fringe or nat -- depends on personal preference.
I took a MITI Turkey Work class with Catherine Jordan at CATS last year. It was a daring little lamb all done in Turkey
Work -- VERY nice since it used wool fiber that she had gotten from her own sheep AND that she had hand dyed! CiaoMeow
>^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was
ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary[/quote:69babf40e1]

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Posted by dawns.wood@gmail.com on Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:09 PM    Post subject: Re: Hand embroidery technique needed.

Look via EBay or Amazon for a copy of Mary Thomas's Dictionary of Embroidery Stitches. I found a 1935 edition in the
Thrift Store for $1.00 so I have access to pretty much any stitch I want luckily I dont' use to many though Jere
Williams wrote: [quote:ae6bde87ec]I remember years and years ago, I made a large Raggedy Ann doll for my daughter, and
then made matching clothes for the doll and daughter. Anyway, the doll's hair was done in turkey work in red yarn. It
looked so nice when it was done, and wasn't really difficult. Gosh, that was a long time ago -- it was for dd's 3rd
birthday, and she's 32 now. -- Jere "Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4l34rdF1jmeU1@individual.net... Twinsmom wrote: Try here:
http://www.prettyimpressivestuff.com/stitches/Turkey_files/Turkey_frames.htm or
http://webstitch.designwest.com/stitch02.html#turkey1 Hope this helps! Carolyn Cindy wrote: I have a needlepoint that
calls for some hand embroidery to complete the canvas. ( Its a christmas stocking) However, somewhere along the line, I
have misplaced the instuctions on how to do one certain technique. It is a "fringe" like seem on the end of a
scarf or on a table cloth done with floss. I have done this crewel stitch many years ago on another hand embroidery
piece that had a tablecloth on it as the fringe. Can anyone pint me in the right direction on how to do this? I tried
Google without good results. Thanks Cindy Great links Carolyn :-)! CINDY -- IMNSHO, that second link is *really*
good because it clearly shows the ground threads of the needlework fabric. With Turkey Work, you want to keep the
stitches as close together as possible; once completed, you can cut the fringe or nat -- depends on personal preference.
I took a MITI Turkey Work class with Catherine Jordan at CATS last year. It was a daring little lamb all done in Turkey
Work -- VERY nice since it used wool fiber that she had gotten from her own sheep AND that she had hand dyed! CiaoMeow
>^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was
ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary[/quote:ae6bde87ec]

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Posted by Cheryl Isaak on Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:18 PM    Post subject: Re: Hand embroidery technique needed.

On 8/23/06 11:39 AM, in article BE_Gg.26590$ph.1984@tornado.texas.rr.com, "Jere Williams"
<Dukkum@sport.rr.com> wrote: [quote:3307779415]I remember years and years ago, I made a large Raggedy Ann doll
for my daughter, and then made matching clothes for the doll and daughter. Anyway, the doll's hair was done in turkey
work in red yarn. It looked so nice when it was done, and wasn't really difficult. Gosh, that was a long time ago --
it was for dd's 3rd birthday, and she's 32 now. Time sure does fly![/quote:3307779415] Cheryl

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Posted by Jere Williams on Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:42 PM    Post subject: Re: Hand embroidery technique needed.

Yup -- as dh says, time flies when you're having fun -- and even when you're not... -- Jere "Cheryl Isaak"
<cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:C1131161.5E560%cherylisaak@adelphia.net... [quote:fb6c7514a0]On
8/23/06 11:39 AM, in article BE_Gg.26590$ph.1984@tornado.texas.rr.com, "Jere Williams"
<Dukkum@sport.rr.com> wrote: I remember years and years ago, I made a large Raggedy Ann doll for my daughter, and
then made matching clothes for the doll and daughter. Anyway, the doll's hair was done in turkey work in red yarn. It
looked so nice when it was done, and wasn't really difficult. Gosh, that was a long time ago -- it was for dd's 3rd
birthday, and she's 32 now. Time sure does fly! Cheryl [/quote:fb6c7514a0]

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View entire thread: Art of Laundering Vintage Textiles 1925 FA
Posted by JaneyP on Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:35 AM    Post subject: Art of Laundering Vintage Textiles 1925 FA

The Art & Practice of Laundry Work for Students & Teachers, by Margaret Cuthbert Rankin undated but prize label
states 1925,although could be earlier in my opinion. 192 pages,VGC. Just the most marvellous book ,packed with huge
detail on the laundering of vintage clothes and materials of all sorts,how to remove stains,huge amount on
ironing,folding,Starching,Collar polishing,washing chintz blinds,washing feather boas , a chapter of various soap and
starch recipes,Washing grebe skin,Swans down ,washing & ironing serge & tweed etc etc . A fantastic book for
anyone engaged in the care of vintage clothes and textiles.Very scarce.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320025434044&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

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View entire thread: Back in town and Catching up on posts...
Posted by Linda C on Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:21 AM    Post subject: Back in town and Catching up on posts...

I guess you can all tell I am catching up on posts from the past week! I have finally gotten to slow down a bit with
work, and wedding cakes. I am exhausted. I did two 18 hour days back to back, and let me tell you I am not in any hurry
to do THAT ever again! Geesh!! I am still paying for it, and realizing that I am not 21 again, and my body just won't
allow that kind of abuse..lol Well the trip to the food show went well. I learned a lot, ordered a lot of bakery
stuff, tasted a lot of food, ate dinner at Texas Roadhouse (YUM..baked sweet potato with caramel sauce and
marshmallows..to DIE for) gambled a little on the riverboat casino (broke even!), had a couple of beers, went shopping a
little, walked a lot, slept very little (hotel beds..grrr) We laughed a lot and had a great time.Dad enjoyed dinner and
breakfast with us at the show. He made me a picnic table to take home with me the next time I drive over with DH's
truck. **Yay!!** I about run myself ragged with this last wedding cake. I think I took too much on in one week, but it
was booked before I found out I was attending the food show. I made the best of itand got it done..turned out really
nice too! Phew!! I had Sunday off with my family. My Dh let me sleep in until 9 AM!! I NEVER sleep that late, He said I
needed it...lol We all went to Champaign to go shopping for the last of the school clothes and shoes, and went to Famous
Dave's BBQ for dinner. Awesome food, the boys really enjoyed it. DH even let me stop at an LSS while we were over there!
Aww,,aint he sweet....he even came in with me and picked out some football papers (its ALWAYS about football, let me
tell ya.....)LOL Anyway..we ate a big dinner, and I didn't have to cook that night, so I was happy to come home and rest
a bit for the evening. Hope everyone had a great week! Linda

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View entire thread: Millermatic 135 wire feed issue
Posted by Gunner on Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:27 AM    Post subject: Re: Millermatic 135 wire feed issue

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:11:54 -0700, Grant Erwin <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:
[quote:ea5bb9a96b]rbce2003@hotmail.com wrote: My friend has a little 110V Millermatic 135 mig welder, and I was over
there today. I am by NO means a weldor, but I can lay down an OK bead on the equipment I have owned / used. That is
until TODAY! This unit does not feed the wire very smooth. He said it was like that from day one. I had a really hard
time getting the thing to weld nice. Anyways, I was wondering if there was any known issues with that welder in
particular, or maybe the lining for the wire is damaged on the inside? It did not look like it had been pinched on the
OD when I looked. My question is: Should the feed of wire be smooth, not jerky on a mig welder? I tried to tighten the
little wheel thinking maybe the wire was slipping on the drive, and we even changed it out to a new wire roll because i
have seen sometimes where the spool gets all tangled up if the tension is released by mistake. Make sure your contact
tip is the correct size for your wire. Make sure your wire isn't rusty. New liner. New contact tip. New pinch rollers.
GWE [/quote:ea5bb9a96b] True enough for all. But first..make sure the drive motor is turning at the same rpm with no
jerks or halts. Wiggle the speed pot as you watch. A magic marker mark on the powered roller is a good place to watch.
Ive seen a couple that the speed pot was dirty/bad and it would do the shushu. remove feed roller tension, and grab the
wire that comes out the tip with pliers and holding the gun straight out..walk out some 15 or more feet. If you feel
catching and grabbing..its either the liner or the spool tensioner. Now put an S curve in the hose and try it again. If
it passed the first test, but now it grabs..its likely the liner. Remove the contact tip and try it again.If its now
smooth, check the OD of your wire and the marking on your contact tip. (also check for rust on da wire of course.
Adjust the roller pressure so it just bearly stops when the hose has a gentle curve and you trigger the wire against a
block of wood. It should want to bend but will slip a little. If you put an s curve and it stops..tension a bit more. If
the wire is a bit rusty or rough..take a Scotchbrite and wrap it around the wire before it goes into the liner, and hold
it in place with a clothes pin (spring type). It it runs fine for a few feet, then starts hanging up..double check that
the wire spool tensioner isnt tightening up. My lil Lincoln Weldpak 100 that I keep in the truck will do that in a heart
beat as I dont have the correct washer under the wing nut. Lastly..make sure that the power source you have it plugged
into is capable of handling the power. Put a volt meter on the outlet and check it as someone runs a bead. I had the
Lincoln start doing that at a friends house..bad wiring, long extension cord and the power was browning down to about 85
volts..didnt seem to effect the arc..but the feed motor was getting really flakey. Gunner Rule #35 "That which
does not kill you, has made a huge tactical error"

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View entire thread: shop life ..
Posted by Grant Erwin on Sun Oct 08, 2006 10:52 PM    Post subject: shop life ..

I have to mention a couple of things that have made life in my shop easier/better lately. First one is I spent $28 from
sullivanuniforms.com to buy some cotton coveralls that fit. They're great - in the summer, that's all I wear, in the
fall I can wear shorts/tee shirt under, in the winter I can wear jeans/flannel under. I can weld in them, but most of
all my clothes stay clean now. The second thing is I took an old plastic spray bottle (the kind with a lever you pump
with your fingers) and put about four fingers of kerosene in it. It's pretty fragrant to use, but boy does that cut
oil/grease off machines or whatever quickly. Spray on, wipe off with a rag. Don't know about you guys but the base of
my Bridgeport gets a little funky after awhile, and the kero/rag quickly whips it back into shape. Highly recommend
this, very inexpensive, very effective. Grant

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View entire thread: OT questions about starting part time bus.
Posted by Ignoramus32140 on Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:24 PM    Post subject: Re: OT questions about starting part time bus.

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:20:43 GMT, Dave Lyon <lct.products@mchsi.com> wrote: [quote:39c00af025] "Don
Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message news:4do7i2dasuiv63j8im4q5n6kh6e6r03cjo@4ax.com...
On 4 Oct 2006 09:08:54 -0700, "monkers" <monkers@novocon.net> wrote: First off, let me say thanks to
everyone for their input. I learned that I really dont know a thing. Secondly, it may be more bother than its worth for
the couple dozen jobs I`ll do in a year. I dont sell any products, but Im sure insurance would be a good idea if you
weld something for somebody and it breaks or whatever. I was just concerned with the idea of taking checks from people
& municipalities and such. Sounds like I should abondon the idea. Are you allowed to make up to a certain amount (as
shown through checks) before the IRS gets a hold of you? ( Im in NY by the way, forgot to mention that before) Thanks
again guys, Craig You can do this as an individual, but don't even think about getting cute with the IRS. Bad trouble!
Declare all revenues and take deductions on schedule C of your 1040. An advantage to a sub-S is that you can take
deductions greater than revenues some years (net loss) as long as you show a net profit now and then -- I think the
window is 5 years but I'm no tax advisor. They can require full disclosure, good recordkeeping and payment of all taxes
due, but they can't mandate biz strategy in terms of investment vs profit-taking. Another advantage is that it just
keeps everything nice and tidy so if you are audited, it's easy to prove everything. You can set up a checking account
and Visa card for the sub-S and run everything thru that. Let the bank do your bookkeeping and the bank statements be
your documented proof of all financial activity. You can pay yourself a (taxable) salary. As owner of the biz, it's
best to pay as little salary as is defensible under Bureau of Labor statistics for given activity as in
"welder" or "grade III engineer" or whatever. You'll still pay taxes on profits via the owners'
K-1's, but profits (if any) are after expenses and deductions. Sub-S corps are not taxed directly; it all comes from
witholding from salaries and from the owners' K-1s -- and FUTA and FICA. NY state may have additional rules. Yet
another advantage is that some vendors and customers feel more comfortable dealing with a business entity like XYZ Inc,
rather than an individual. Make things cleaner for them. Microsoft got their tit in a wringer some years ago by using
individuals as subcontractors. The IRS claimed they were dodging FICA that way. Other corps noticed, some decided they
would only do business with consultants or subcontractors that were incorporated, so it was very clear what entity was
responsible for FICA, FUTA and W-4 witholding. Some vendors like Grainger don't want to deal with individuals as in
retail, but are happy to sell to a bona fide bidness entity. The disadvantage is that there's another whole set of
paperwork at tax time -- FICA, FUTA, quarterly reports and an annual 1120 return. One advantage of being a sole
proprietor is that you can hire your kids. Because they are your kids, you don't have to worry about child labor laws.
Assuming they are in school full time, you can pay them a pretty good chunk of money without having to pay taxes on it.
Let your kids use the money they earn to buy their own school clothes, or take the family on vacation. Or anything else
that the kids may need. [/quote:39c00af025] Hm, can you hire a 5.5 year old and a 9 month old? (for tax purposes, as
they are both good for nothing so far) i

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View entire thread: OT questions about starting part time bus.
Posted by Dave Lyon on Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:20 PM    Post subject: Re: OT questions about starting part time bus.

"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:4do7i2dasuiv63j8im4q5n6kh6e6r03cjo@4ax.com... [quote:47c5e9c4c9]On 4 Oct 2006 09:08:54 -0700, "monkers"
<monkers@novocon.net> wrote: First off, let me say thanks to everyone for their input. I learned that I really
dont know a thing. Secondly, it may be more bother than its worth for the couple dozen jobs I`ll do in a year. I dont
sell any products, but Im sure insurance would be a good idea if you weld something for somebody and it breaks or
whatever. I was just concerned with the idea of taking checks from people & municipalities and such. Sounds like I
should abondon the idea. Are you allowed to make up to a certain amount (as shown through checks) before the IRS gets a
hold of you? ( Im in NY by the way, forgot to mention that before) Thanks again guys, Craig You can do this as an
individual, but don't even think about getting cute with the IRS. Bad trouble! Declare all revenues and take
deductions on schedule C of your 1040. An advantage to a sub-S is that you can take deductions greater than revenues
some years (net loss) as long as you show a net profit now and then -- I think the window is 5 years but I'm no tax
advisor. They can require full disclosure, good recordkeeping and payment of all taxes due, but they can't mandate biz
strategy in terms of investment vs profit-taking. Another advantage is that it just keeps everything nice and tidy so
if you are audited, it's easy to prove everything. You can set up a checking account and Visa card for the sub-S and
run everything thru that. Let the bank do your bookkeeping and the bank statements be your documented proof of all
financial activity. You can pay yourself a (taxable) salary. As owner of the biz, it's best to pay as little salary as
is defensible under Bureau of Labor statistics for given activity as in "welder" or "grade III
engineer" or whatever. You'll still pay taxes on profits via the owners' K-1's, but profits (if any) are after
expenses and deductions. Sub-S corps are not taxed directly; it all comes from witholding from salaries and from the
owners' K-1s -- and FUTA and FICA. NY state may have additional rules. Yet another advantage is that some vendors
and customers feel more comfortable dealing with a business entity like XYZ Inc, rather than an individual. Make things
cleaner for them. Microsoft got their tit in a wringer some years ago by using individuals as subcontractors. The IRS
claimed they were dodging FICA that way. Other corps noticed, some decided they would only do business with consultants
or subcontractors that were incorporated, so it was very clear what entity was responsible for FICA, FUTA and W-4
witholding. Some vendors like Grainger don't want to deal with individuals as in retail, but are happy to sell to a
bona fide bidness entity. The disadvantage is that there's another whole set of paperwork at tax time -- FICA, FUTA,
quarterly reports and an annual 1120 return. [/quote:47c5e9c4c9] One advantage of being a sole proprietor is that you
can hire your kids. Because they are your kids, you don't have to worry about child labor laws. Assuming they are in
school full time, you can pay them a pretty good chunk of money without having to pay taxes on it. Let your kids use the
money they earn to buy their own school clothes, or take the family on vacation. Or anything else that the kids may
need.

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View entire thread: OT questions about starting part time bus.
Posted by Ken Finney on Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:21 PM    Post subject: Re: OT questions about starting part time bus.

"Ignoramus32140" <ignoramus32140@NOSPAM.32140.invalid> wrote in message
news:btqr3.ka0.19.2@news.alt.net... [quote:cde2a84dfb]On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:20:43 GMT, Dave Lyon
<lct.products@mchsi.com wrote: "Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:4do7i2dasuiv63j8im4q5n6kh6e6r03cjo@4ax.com... On 4 Oct 2006 09:08:54 -0700, "monkers"
<monkers@novocon.net> wrote: First off, let me say thanks to everyone for their input. I learned that I really
dont know a thing. Secondly, it may be more bother than its worth for the couple dozen jobs I`ll do in a year. I dont
sell any products, but Im sure insurance would be a good idea if you weld something for somebody and it breaks or
whatever. I was just concerned with the idea of taking checks from people & municipalities and such. Sounds like I
should abondon the idea. Are you allowed to make up to a certain amount (as shown through checks) before the IRS gets a
hold of you? ( Im in NY by the way, forgot to mention that before) Thanks again guys, Craig You can do this as an
individual, but don't even think about getting cute with the IRS. Bad trouble! Declare all revenues and take
deductions on schedule C of your 1040. An advantage to a sub-S is that you can take deductions greater than revenues
some years (net loss) as long as you show a net profit now and then -- I think the window is 5 years but I'm no tax
advisor. They can require full disclosure, good recordkeeping and payment of all taxes due, but they can't mandate biz
strategy in terms of investment vs profit-taking. Another advantage is that it just keeps everything nice and tidy so
if you are audited, it's easy to prove everything. You can set up a checking account and Visa card for the sub-S and
run everything thru that. Let the bank do your bookkeeping and the bank statements be your documented proof of all
financial activity. You can pay yourself a (taxable) salary. As owner of the biz, it's best to pay as little salary as
is defensible under Bureau of Labor statistics for given activity as in "welder" or "grade III
engineer" or whatever. You'll still pay taxes on profits via the owners' K-1's, but profits (if any) are after
expenses and deductions. Sub-S corps are not taxed directly; it all comes from witholding from salaries and from the
owners' K-1s -- and FUTA and FICA. NY state may have additional rules. Yet another advantage is that some vendors
and customers feel more comfortable dealing with a business entity like XYZ Inc, rather than an individual. Make things
cleaner for them. Microsoft got their tit in a wringer some years ago by using individuals as subcontractors. The IRS
claimed they were dodging FICA that way. Other corps noticed, some decided they would only do business with consultants
or subcontractors that were incorporated, so it was very clear what entity was responsible for FICA, FUTA and W-4
witholding. Some vendors like Grainger don't want to deal with individuals as in retail, but are happy to sell to a
bona fide bidness entity. The disadvantage is that there's another whole set of paperwork at tax time -- FICA, FUTA,
quarterly reports and an annual 1120 return. One advantage of being a sole proprietor is that you can hire your kids.
Because they are your kids, you don't have to worry about child labor laws. Assuming they are in school full time, you
can pay them a pretty good chunk of money without having to pay taxes on it. Let your kids use the money they earn to
buy their own school clothes, or take the family on vacation. Or anything else that the kids may need. Hm, can you
hire a 5.5 year old and a 9 month old? (for tax purposes, as they are both good for nothing so far) [/quote:cde2a84dfb]
Of course. Why do you think there are so many kids in ads? You pay them a modeling fee, then invest their income in a
Roth IRA for them.

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Posted by Dave Lyon on Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:31 PM    Post subject: Re: OT questions about starting part time bus.

"Ignoramus32140" <ignoramus32140@NOSPAM.32140.invalid> wrote in message
news:btqr3.ka0.19.2@news.alt.net... [quote:a760ae96d0]On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:20:43 GMT, Dave Lyon
<lct.products@mchsi.com wrote: "Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:4do7i2dasuiv63j8im4q5n6kh6e6r03cjo@4ax.com... On 4 Oct 2006 09:08:54 -0700, "monkers"
<monkers@novocon.net> wrote: First off, let me say thanks to everyone for their input. I learned that I really
dont know a thing. Secondly, it may be more bother than its worth for the couple dozen jobs I`ll do in a year. I dont
sell any products, but Im sure insurance would be a good idea if you weld something for somebody and it breaks or
whatever. I was just concerned with the idea of taking checks from people & municipalities and such. Sounds like I
should abondon the idea. Are you allowed to make up to a certain amount (as shown through checks) before the IRS gets a
hold of you? ( Im in NY by the way, forgot to mention that before) Thanks again guys, Craig You can do this as an
individual, but don't even think about getting cute with the IRS. Bad trouble! Declare all revenues and take
deductions on schedule C of your 1040. An advantage to a sub-S is that you can take deductions greater than revenues
some years (net loss) as long as you show a net profit now and then -- I think the window is 5 years but I'm no tax
advisor. They can require full disclosure, good recordkeeping and payment of all taxes due, but they can't mandate biz
strategy in terms of investment vs profit-taking. Another advantage is that it just keeps everything nice and tidy so
if you are audited, it's easy to prove everything. You can set up a checking account and Visa card for the sub-S and
run everything thru that. Let the bank do your bookkeeping and the bank statements be your documented proof of all
financial activity. You can pay yourself a (taxable) salary. As owner of the biz, it's best to pay as little salary as
is defensible under Bureau of Labor statistics for given activity as in "welder" or "grade III
engineer" or whatever. You'll still pay taxes on profits via the owners' K-1's, but profits (if any) are after
expenses and deductions. Sub-S corps are not taxed directly; it all comes from witholding from salaries and from the
owners' K-1s -- and FUTA and FICA. NY state may have additional rules. Yet another advantage is that some vendors
and customers feel more comfortable dealing with a business entity like XYZ Inc, rather than an individual. Make things
cleaner for them. Microsoft got their tit in a wringer some years ago by using individuals as subcontractors. The IRS
claimed they were dodging FICA that way. Other corps noticed, some decided they would only do business with consultants
or subcontractors that were incorporated, so it was very clear what entity was responsible for FICA, FUTA and W-4
witholding. Some vendors like Grainger don't want to deal with individuals as in retail, but are happy to sell to a
bona fide bidness entity. The disadvantage is that there's another whole set of paperwork at tax time -- FICA, FUTA,
quarterly reports and an annual 1120 return. One advantage of being a sole proprietor is that you can hire your kids.
Because they are your kids, you don't have to worry about child labor laws. Assuming they are in school full time, you
can pay them a pretty good chunk of money without having to pay taxes on it. Let your kids use the money they earn to
buy their own school clothes, or take the family on vacation. Or anything else that the kids may need. Hm, can you
hire a 5.5 year old and a 9 month old? (for tax purposes, as they are both good for nothing so far) i
[/quote:a760ae96d0] My kids started work at 5 years old sweeping the floors and cleaning the bathrooms. And, yes, they
really did come in and sweep the floors.

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Posted by F. George McDuffee on Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:17 AM    Post subject: Re: OT questions about starting part time bus.

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:21:35 GMT, "Ken Finney" <kenneth.c.finney@boeing.com> wrote: [quote:e33c2aa498]
"Ignoramus32140" <ignoramus32140@NOSPAM.32140.invalid> wrote in message
news:btqr3.ka0.19.2@news.alt.net... On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:20:43 GMT, Dave Lyon <lct.products@mchsi.com wrote:
"Don Foreman" <dforeman@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:4do7i2dasuiv63j8im4q5n6kh6e6r03cjo@4ax.com... On 4 Oct 2006 09:08:54 -0700, "monkers"
<monkers@novocon.net> wrote: First off, let me say thanks to everyone for their input. I learned that I really
dont know a thing. Secondly, it may be more bother than its worth for the couple dozen jobs I`ll do in a year. I dont
sell any products, but Im sure insurance would be a good idea if you weld something for somebody and it breaks or
whatever. I was just concerned with the idea of taking checks from people & municipalities and such. Sounds like I
should abondon the idea. Are you allowed to make up to a certain amount (as shown through checks) before the IRS gets a
hold of you? ( Im in NY by the way, forgot to mention that before) Thanks again guys, Craig You can do this as an
individual, but don't even think about getting cute with the IRS. Bad trouble! Declare all revenues and take
deductions on schedule C of your 1040. An advantage to a sub-S is that you can take deductions greater than revenues
some years (net loss) as long as you show a net profit now and then -- I think the window is 5 years but I'm no tax
advisor. They can require full disclosure, good recordkeeping and payment of all taxes due, but they can't mandate biz
strategy in terms of investment vs profit-taking. Another advantage is that it just keeps everything nice and tidy so
if you are audited, it's easy to prove everything. You can set up a checking account and Visa card for the sub-S and
run everything thru that. Let the bank do your bookkeeping and the bank statements be your documented proof of all
financial activity. You can pay yourself a (taxable) salary. As owner of the biz, it's best to pay as little salary as
is defensible under Bureau of Labor statistics for given activity as in "welder" or "grade III
engineer" or whatever. You'll still pay taxes on profits via the owners' K-1's, but profits (if any) are after
expenses and deductions. Sub-S corps are not taxed directly; it all comes from witholding from salaries and from the
owners' K-1s -- and FUTA and FICA. NY state may have additional rules. Yet another advantage is that some vendors
and customers feel more comfortable dealing with a business entity like XYZ Inc, rather than an individual. Make things
cleaner for them. Microsoft got their tit in a wringer some years ago by using individuals as subcontractors. The IRS
claimed they were dodging FICA that way. Other corps noticed, some decided they would only do business with consultants
or subcontractors that were incorporated, so it was very clear what entity was responsible for FICA, FUTA and W-4
witholding. Some vendors like Grainger don't want to deal with individuals as in retail, but are happy to sell to a
bona fide bidness entity. The disadvantage is that there's another whole set of paperwork at tax time -- FICA, FUTA,
quarterly reports and an annual 1120 return. One advantage of being a sole proprietor is that you can hire your kids.
Because they are your kids, you don't have to worry about child labor laws. Assuming they are in school full time, you
can pay them a pretty good chunk of money without having to pay taxes on it. Let your kids use the money they earn to
buy their own school clothes, or take the family on vacation. Or anything else that the kids may need. Hm, can you
hire a 5.5 year old and a 9 month old? (for tax purposes, as they are both good for nothing so far) Of course. Why do
you think there are so many kids in ads? You pay them a modeling fee, then invest their income in a Roth IRA for them.
===============[/quote:e33c2aa498] see Making a Small Shop Profitable 21044 $9.95
also 202 things you can buy and sell for big profits 6181 19.95 http://lindsaybks.com/prod/allbks.html
Small Time Operator (Paperback) by Bernard B. Kamoroff (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Small-Time-Operator-Bernard-
Kamoroff/dp/0917510186 Unka George (George McDuffee) .............................. I sincerely believe . . . banking
establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by
posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale. Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826), U.S.
president. Letter, 28 May 1816, to political philosopher and Senator John Taylor

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Posted by Nick Hull on Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:22 AM    Post subject: Re: OT questions about starting part time bus.

In article <eLVUg.181240$FQ1.180917@attbi_s71>, "Dave Lyon" <lct.products@mchsi.com> wrote:
[quote:761a280ccf]One advantage of being a sole proprietor is that you can hire your kids. Because they are your kids,
you don't have to worry about child labor laws. Assuming they are in school full time, you can pay them a pretty good
chunk of money without having to pay taxes on it. Let your kids use the money they earn to buy their own school clothes,
or take the family on vacation. Or anything else that the kids may need. Hm, can you hire a 5.5 year old and a 9
month old? (for tax purposes, as they are both good for nothing so far) i My kids started work at 5 years old sweeping
the floors and cleaning the bathrooms. And, yes, they really did come in and sweep the floors. [/quote:761a280ccf] I
hope you gave each a $400 (tax free) safety prize every year ;) Guns, TVs, etc. -- Free men own guns -
www.geocities/CapitolHill/5357/

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View entire thread: Picture of my portable "dirty" grinding table
Posted by Ignoramus906 on Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:36 PM    Post subject: Re: Picture of my portable "dirty" grinding table

On 3 Oct 2006 16:53:10 -0700, Tater <tater1337@yahoo.com> wrote: [quote:8f7f139764] Ignoramus8511 wrote: Made out
of an old kitchen cabinet. I had it for quite a while, but only bothered to take pictures now.
http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Portable-Homemade-Grinding-Table-Center/ I like, also the mini grinding table.
[/quote:8f7f139764] You mean the mini welding table? Thanks. [quote:8f7f139764]I hope you put some dead weight in that
cabinet to keep everythig still! [/quote:8f7f139764] It is not bad actually, plus, there is a few heavy things on top
already... [quote:8f7f139764]anyway, you spent money on a grinder? [/quote:8f7f139764] Yep. That 1/2 HP Baldor cost me
about $40. [quote:8f7f139764]I scrounged around landfills (waaaay back when) and tore a dryer motor out of a clothes
dryer. Had a shaft on each end, one for air circulation fand and another to run the drum.. bought a shaft adapter to get
a grinding wheel on and did a bit of wiring to get it going. yes I do have to flip a switcth and then hit a
"start" button just like a dryer :) I've had it for nearly 10 years, very light duty use, but I cant think of
a more usefull tool. [/quote:8f7f139764] Sounds like a very inventive use of a motor from a landfill! I would use
something like that for polishing cloth wheels or brushes. [quote:8f7f139764]last month when I finaly got an arc welder
I made a stand for it. 16" car tire with a pipe welded to the rim and a couple of pieces of bed from to clamp the
grinder to. I really need to drill some mounting holes, I need those C clamps....... [/quote:8f7f139764] Very nice,
sounds like you are having fun!!! Post some pix too! i

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Posted by Tater on Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:53 AM    Post subject: Re: Picture of my portable "dirty" grinding table

Ignoramus8511 wrote: [quote:cdac32e4ef]Made out of an old kitchen cabinet. I had it for quite a while, but only bothered
to take pictures now. http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Portable-Homemade-Grinding-Table-Center/ I like, also the mini
grinding table.[/quote:cdac32e4ef] I hope you put some dead weight in that cabinet to keep everythig still! anyway,
you spent money on a grinder? I scrounged around landfills (waaaay back when) and tore a dryer motor out of a clothes
dryer. Had a shaft on each end, one for air circulation fand and another to run the drum.. bought a shaft adapter to get
a grinding wheel on and did a bit of wiring to get it going. yes I do have to flip a switcth and then hit a
"start" button just like a dryer :) I've had it for nearly 10 years, very light duty use, but I cant think of
a more usefull tool. last month when I finaly got an arc welder I made a stand for it. 16" car tire with a pipe
welded to the rim and a couple of pieces of bed from to clamp the grinder to. I really need to drill some mounting
holes, I need those C clamps.......

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Posted by Gerald Miller on Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:11 AM    Post subject: Re: Picture of my portable "dirty" grinding table

On 3 Oct 2006 16:53:10 -0700, "Tater" <tater1337@yahoo.com> wrote: [quote:eb1f50eb3c] Ignoramus8511
wrote: Made out of an old kitchen cabinet. I had it for quite a while, but only bothered to take pictures now.
http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Portable-Homemade-Grinding-Table-Center/ I like, also the mini grinding table. I hope
you put some dead weight in that cabinet to keep everythig still! anyway, you spent money on a grinder? I scrounged
around landfills (waaaay back when) and tore a dryer motor out of a clothes dryer. Had a shaft on each end, one for air
circulation fand and another to run the drum.. bought a shaft adapter to get a grinding wheel on and did a bit of wiring
to get it going. yes I do have to flip a switcth and then hit a "start" button just like a dryer :) I've had
it for nearly 10 years, very light duty use, but I cant think of a more usefull tool. last month when I finaly got an
arc welder I made a stand for it. 16" car tire with a pipe welded to the rim and a couple of pieces of bed from to
clamp the grinder to. I really need to drill some mounting holes, I need those C clamps....... Mine has been in use more
than forty years.[/quote:eb1f50eb3c] Gerry :-)} London, Canada

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View entire thread: OT-Illegal Alien Stats
Posted by F. George McDuffee on Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:02 PM    Post subject: Re: OT-Illegal Alien Stats

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:08:58 GMT, Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> wrote: [quote:6d1bd87985]On Wed, 27 Sep
2006 12:51:39 -0500, F. George McDuffee gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote: The problem is that nothing that
you, I or the rest of the American citizens can do, short of carrying out a bloody and successful revolution, followed
by a "root and branch" purge of government and industry at all levels complete with firing squads, segueing
into universal efficient and effective "ethnic cleansing" will have the slightest effect. You say that like
its a bad thing? Gunner snip[/quote:6d1bd87985] First off, it is similar to saying that if we all flap our arms real
hard we can rise into the air like humming birds, and fly to work eliminating the need to buy gasoline thus eliminating
our reliance on foreign oil. Second, if by some enormously malevolent mischance this should ever occur, the final
affects at many levels will be disastrous for American society, setting the US back several hundred years, not in
technology but (among many items) in civil organization, humane treatment of others, and civil conflict resolution.
Revolutionary and Peoples courts all operate under the principal "kill them all and let God sort them out."
In a "root and branch purge" [too] many good (no matter how you define good) people are caught in the
maelstrom and "sucked under" along with the "rat bastards," "dick weeds," and "no-
loads" that caused the problem in the first place. Effectively it is an attempt to apply the old, and long
discredited, remedy of "bleeding" to the "body politic" because it is running a "fever."
FWIW - phlebotomy or bloodletting does indeed reduce a fever, however it also weakens the body, and an elevated
temperature [fever] appears in many cases to assist the body to overcome an infection. Thus treating the symptom only
makes the underlying problem worse. History has not looked kindly on nations/cultures that have undertaken these types
of drastic actions, either in whole or in part. However it is not clear if relegation to foot notes [e.g. Spain] from
that time forward was directly due to the effects of "ethnic cleansing," and/or "root and branch
purges," or due to some deeper and more dangerous pathology such as societal Alzheimer's, economic
arteriosclerosis, financial oncology or cultural dementia, that had as one of its symptoms pathological autoimmune
response/rejection and cultural paranoia/sociopathology. In the final analysis, this is "burning the barn down to
get rid of the rats" expanded to an entire culture/society/country, or as rationalized in another conflict,
"we had to destroy the village in order to save it." We would all do well to remember that while the mass
migration of non-English speaking people of color into the United States is the most visible and irritating symptom to
most citizens, *IT IS ONLY A SYMPTOM*, and quite likely not the most dangerous one of an ill-defined disease or syndrome
from one perspective, or from another perspective, foundational/fundamental changes in the current GLOBAL socio-economic
structure/organization. A far more productive question, and one that may have some aspects which can be acted on, is
"Why has immigration suddenly become a major problem for the United States (and Europe)?" It appears the
answer, as for so many of societies "new" problems, lies in an observation made hundreds of years ago. Sir
Thomas Gresham (1519-1579) formulated many economic "laws." The one of interest in this case is "Goods
move from where they are cheap to where they are dear [expensive]." Using BLS and Census Bureau numbers, when
adjusted for inflation the median US individual and family disposable/discretionary incomes have fallen, at least since
the mid 80's, and at the bottom end, the poverty rates have increased. All other things being equal (they never are)
this would seem to indicate a lower, not higher immigration rate. Particularly when the other expenses/costs of
immigration are considered, such as transportation costs, quality of life, separation from family and friends, etc. are
considered, why are we now being inundated with economic refugees/immerges, given the vastly increased border controls,
internal controls on employment, bank accounts, etc.? The answer appears to be that the real wages and social
conditions in the "people exporting" countries such as Mexico and the rest of Latin America [Africa for
Europe] have catastrophically fallen, compared to only a moderate fall or stagnation in US wages and living conditions.
In turn this appears to be directly due to the "Brave New One World Order" of unregulated free trade under
NAFTA/GAT and the WTO. An old ad had the catch phrase "pay me now or pay me later." What we appear to be
seeing is that we are paying later in the form of the costs for massive in-migration for all the cheap "hocho in
Mexico" gewgaws, clothes, etc. that we keep buying at Wal-Mart, Costco, etc., again proving "there ain't no
free lunch," while the profits disappear into off-shore tax havens, deferred executive compensation trust funds,
etc. for the privileged few. This conclusion is supported by a study performed by the Economic Policy Institute that
tends to look at economic effects from the individual/micro perspective. See:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060927/wl_canada_nm/canada_economy_nafta_col_1 Just to stir the pot a little more, note
that many countries with leadership committed to the good of their nation such as the PRC, even when authoritarian, by
implementing forms of neo- and techno- mercantilism, have managed to greatly improve their GNP/GDP, median
incomes/standards of living, manufacturing and civil infrastructure and financial situation. For example, the PRC is
operating a "maglev" train between Shanghai and its airport while the US continues to liquidate it rail
system, perhaps on the basis they can sell the rails for immediate cash money for executive "performance"
bonuses. Shanghai's maglev line covers the 30 kilometers (19 miles) to the city's Pudong International Airport in just
eight minutes at speeds of up to 430 kph (270 mph). Launched in early 2004, it is the world's first commercially
operating magnetic levitation train line. For rest of article see: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060925/china_maglev.html?.v=2
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/26/business/15541368&sec=business Unka George (George
McDuffee) .............................. I sincerely believe . . . banking establishments are more dangerous than
standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but
swindling futurity on a large scale. Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826), U.S. president. Letter, 28 May 1816, to political
philosopher and Senator John Taylor

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Posted by Too_Many_Tools on Fri Sep 29, 2006 12:22 AM    Post subject: Re: OT-Illegal Alien Stats

I would agree....many of the "gains" that companies have shown in the recent past has been the cashing in of
assets that had taken decades to acquire. It results in a "fast buck" for the quarter and the CEO bonus but
leaves the company unable to perform in the future. Company after company has gutted their R&D departments and the
accompanying brain trust. If one follows this trend, you will find that most companies today buy companies to gain their
technology since the company itself is unable to generate new designs because the development environment and the brain
trust is gone. American car companies are just the latest causulties of this trend. TMT F. George McDuffee wrote:
[quote:0de9e8ee9a]On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:08:58 GMT, Gunner gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2006
12:51:39 -0500, F. George McDuffee gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote: The problem is that nothing that you, I
or the rest of the American citizens can do, short of carrying out a bloody and successful revolution, followed by a
"root and branch" purge of government and industry at all levels complete with firing squads, segueing into
universal efficient and effective "ethnic cleansing" will have the slightest effect. You say that like its a
bad thing? Gunner snip First off, it is similar to saying that if we all flap our arms real hard we can rise into the
air like humming birds, and fly to work eliminating the need to buy gasoline thus eliminating our reliance on foreign
oil. Second, if by some enormously malevolent mischance this should ever occur, the final affects at many levels will
be disastrous for American society, setting the US back several hundred years, not in technology but (among many items)
in civil organization, humane treatment of others, and civil conflict resolution. Revolutionary and Peoples courts all
operate under the principal "kill them all and let God sort them out." In a "root and branch purge"
[too] many good (no matter how you define good) people are caught in the maelstrom and "sucked under" along
with the "rat bastards," "dick weeds," and "no-loads" that caused the problem in the first
place. Effectively it is an attempt to apply the old, and long discredited, remedy of "bleeding" to the
"body politic" because it is running a "fever." FWIW - phlebotomy or bloodletting does indeed
reduce a fever, however it also weakens the body, and an elevated temperature [fever] appears in many cases to assist
the body to overcome an infection. Thus treating the symptom only makes the underlying problem worse. History has not
looked kindly on nations/cultures that have undertaken these types of drastic actions, either in whole or in part.
However it is not clear if relegation to foot notes [e.g. Spain] from that time forward was directly due to the effects
of "ethnic cleansing," and/or "root and branch purges," or due to some deeper and more dangerous
pathology such as societal Alzheimer's, economic arteriosclerosis, financial oncology or cultural dementia, that had as
one of its symptoms pathological autoimmune response/rejection and cultural paranoia/sociopathology. In the final
analysis, this is "burning the barn down to get rid of the rats" expanded to an entire
culture/society/country, or as rationalized in another conflict, "we had to destroy the village in order to save
it." We would all do well to remember that while the mass migration of non-English speaking people of color into
the United States is the most visible and irritating symptom to most citizens, *IT IS ONLY A SYMPTOM*, and quite likely
not the most dangerous one of an ill-defined disease or syndrome from one perspective, or from another perspective,
foundational/fundamental changes in the current GLOBAL socio-economic structure/organization. A far more productive
question, and one that may have some aspects which can be acted on, is "Why has immigration suddenly become a major
problem for the United States (and Europe)?" It appears the answer, as for so many of societies "new"
problems, lies in an observation made hundreds of years ago. Sir Thomas Gresham (1519-1579) formulated many economic
"laws." The one of interest in this case is "Goods move from where they are cheap to where they are dear
[expensive]." Using BLS and Census Bureau numbers, when adjusted for inflation the median US individual and family
disposable/discretionary incomes have fallen, at least since the mid 80's, and at the bottom end, the poverty rates have
increased. All other things being equal (they never are) this would seem to indicate a lower, not higher immigration
rate. Particularly when the other expenses/costs of immigration are considered, such as transportation costs, quality
of life, separation from family and friends, etc. are considered, why are we now being inundated with economic
refugees/immerges, given the vastly increased border controls, internal controls on employment, bank accounts, etc.?
The answer appears to be that the real wages and social conditions in the "people exporting" countries such as
Mexico and the rest of Latin America [Africa for Europe] have catastrophically fallen, compared to only a moderate fall
or stagnation in US wages and living conditions. In turn this appears to be directly due to the "Brave New One
World Order" of unregulated free trade under NAFTA/GAT and the WTO. An old ad had the catch phrase "pay me
now or pay me later." What we appear to be seeing is that we are paying later in the form of the costs for massive
in-migration for all the cheap "hocho in Mexico" gewgaws, clothes, etc. that we keep buying at Wal-Mart,
Costco, etc., again proving "there ain't no free lunch," while the profits disappear into off-shore tax
havens, deferred executive compensation trust funds, etc. for the privileged few. This conclusion is supported by a
study performed by the Economic Policy Institute that tends to look at economic effects from the individual/micro
perspective. See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060927/wl_canada_nm/canada_economy_nafta_col_1 Just to stir the pot a
little more, note that many countries with leadership committed to the good of their nation such as the PRC, even when
authoritarian, by implementing forms of neo- and techno- mercantilism, have managed to greatly improve their GNP/GDP,
median incomes/standards of living, manufacturing and civil infrastructure and financial situation. For example, the
PRC is operating a "maglev" train between Shanghai and its airport while the US continues to liquidate it rail
system, perhaps on the basis they can sell the rails for immediate cash money for executive "performance"
bonuses. Shanghai's maglev line covers the 30 kilometers (19 miles) to the city's Pudong International Airport in just
eight minutes at speeds of up to 430 kph (270 mph). Launched in early 2004, it is the world's first commercially
operating magnetic levitation train line. For rest of article see: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060925/china_maglev.html?.v=2
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/9/26/business/15541368&sec=business Unka George (George
McDuffee) ............................. I sincerely believe . . . banking establishments are more dangerous than
standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but
swindling futurity on a large scale. Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 28 May 1816, to political
philosopher and Senator John Taylor[/quote:0de9e8ee9a]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:58 PM    Post subject: Re: Titanium Shavings- "Pixie Dust"

F. George McDuffee wrote: [quote:153faa10dd]Maybe we should start featuring these types of stories on our VOA Arabic
propaganda broadcasts, stressing this is how most Americans are, and President Bush and the State Department may not be
able to contain them much longer, now that the beserker season is starting. Unka George (George McDuffee)
[/quote:153faa10dd] So, Unka George, are a student of ancient Celt history? The ancient Romans gave the name
"beserker" to the Celtic army when the Celts stripped off all their clothes, began to chant and dance
themselves into a mental state where they were somewhat insane. Their white skin turned red is with heat and then they
attacked the Romans. The Romans beat them off, and then the Celtic women went through the same ritual and kicked the
Roman ass all the way to Rome and took the city. Mus be some metal working here somewhere. Paul

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Posted by Steve B on Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:15 PM    Post subject: Re: Titanium Shavings- "Pixie Dust"

<pdrahn@coinet.com> wrote in message news:1157817521.106730.287750@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:4f1d46f11f]F. George McDuffee wrote: Maybe we should start featuring these types of stories on our VOA Arabic
propaganda broadcasts, stressing this is how most Americans are, and President Bush and the State Department may not be
able to contain them much longer, now that the beserker season is starting. Unka George (George McDuffee) So, Unka
George, are a student of ancient Celt history? The ancient Romans gave the name "beserker" to the Celtic army
when the Celts stripped off all their clothes, began to chant and dance themselves into a mental state where they were
somewhat insane. Their white skin turned red is with heat and then they attacked the Romans. The Romans beat them off,
and then the Celtic women went through the same ritual and kicked the Roman ass all the way to Rome and took the city.
Mus be some metal working here somewhere. Paul [/quote:4f1d46f11f] ......... maybe in your head ............

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Posted by kfvorwerk@gmail.com on Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:25 AM    Post subject: Re: Titanium Shavings- "Pixie Dust"

Berserkers are Norse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker Your probably thinking of Picts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts Karl pdrahn@coinet.com wrote: [quote:a8eb8284f3]F. George McDuffee wrote: Maybe we
should start featuring these types of stories on our VOA Arabic propaganda broadcasts, stressing this is how most
Americans are, and President Bush and the State Department may not be able to contain them much longer, now that the
beserker season is starting. Unka George (George McDuffee) So, Unka George, are a student of ancient Celt history?
The ancient Romans gave the name "beserker" to the Celtic army when the Celts stripped off all their clothes,
began to chant and dance themselves into a mental state where they were somewhat insane. Their white skin turned red is
with heat and then they attacked the Romans. The Romans beat them off, and then the Celtic women went through the same
ritual and kicked the Roman ass all the way to Rome and took the city. Mus be some metal working here somewhere.
Paul[/quote:a8eb8284f3]

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View entire thread: Electric die grinder recommendations
Posted by Robin S. on Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:10 PM    Post subject: Re: Electric die grinder recommendations

Christopher Tidy wrote: [quote:13e2d61455] A few questions: Am I better off with a low speed grinder (< 7000 rpm) or
with a high speed grinder (7000 - 28000 rpm)? Am I better off getting a variable speed grinder, or a quality fixed speed
grinder like the Hitachi? Does anyone have any particularly good or bad experiences with these products?
[/quote:13e2d61455] I use die grinders extensively at work for precision die making. We use carbide burrs, mounted
stones and flap wheels. I would recommend against the slow-speed machines. I use carbide burrs on everything from mild
steel and aluminium to hardened D2 tool steel and while they don't last as long in the tougher steels, I don't reduce
the speed at all. If you're expecting to use some very large stones (I've never) then the variable speed will be
useful. I wouldn't spend a lot extra on it, however. One further suggestion. You should pick up a black dressing stone,
if you don't already have one, for your mounted points. Points are not true out of the box and you'll need to dress them
unless you enjoy feeling the grinder vibrate to the point where you cannot use it. An untrued point will make your work
look like a dog's breakfast anyway. Make sure to dress the points in a criss-cross fashion along the face of the
dressing stone or you'll wear a ditch into it, and it will be ruined too early. Lastly, a safety note on carbide burrs.
I've said this before, but I cannot emphasize enough the nasty nature of the chips from a sharp burr. If you get them in
your eye, you're definately going to the hospital as they *will* get stuck. You'll likely get lots of them stuck in your
hands as well, so make sure not to grab anything covered with chips too tighly (or at all before removing the chips).
Safety glasses are an absolute requirement and a face shield is a virtual necessity. Expect to change the clothes you're
wearing while using the burrs before going in the house, car, etc. The chips will be stuck in the fabric. HTH.
Regards, Robin

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Posted by Christopher Tidy on Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:49 PM    Post subject: Re: Electric die grinder recommendations

Robin S. wrote: [quote:022c956bc2]Christopher Tidy wrote: A few questions: Am I better off with a low speed grinder
(< 7000 rpm) or with a high speed grinder (7000 - 28000 rpm)? Am I better off getting a variable speed grinder, or a
quality fixed speed grinder like the Hitachi? Does anyone have any particularly good or bad experiences with these
products? I use die grinders extensively at work for precision die making. We use carbide burrs, mounted stones and
flap wheels. I would recommend against the slow-speed machines. I use carbide burrs on everything from mild steel and
aluminium to hardened D2 tool steel and while they don't last as long in the tougher steels, I don't reduce the speed at
all. If you're expecting to use some very large stones (I've never) then the variable speed will be useful. I wouldn't
spend a lot extra on it, however. [/quote:022c956bc2] I doubt I'll want to use large stones. I anticipate mostly using
tiny ones. Perhaps I should invest in a really good fixed speed machine? The speed control might be somethat that
would make the grinder more likely to fail in the future. What do people think? Does anyone have an opinion on the
Hitachi die grinders? Like this: http://www.powertooldirect.co.uk/hitachi-grinder-p-76989.html [quote:022c956bc2]One
further suggestion. You should pick up a black dressing stone, if you don't already have one, for your mounted points.
Points are not true out of the box and you'll need to dress them unless you enjoy feeling the grinder vibrate to the
point where you cannot use it. An untrued point will make your work look like a dog's breakfast anyway. Make sure to
dress the points in a criss-cross fashion along the face of the dressing stone or you'll wear a ditch into it, and it
will be ruined too early. [/quote:022c956bc2] Presumably you don't dress carbide burrs? Only stones?
[quote:022c956bc2]Lastly, a safety note on carbide burrs. I've said this before, but I cannot emphasize enough the nasty
nature of the chips from a sharp burr. If you get them in your eye, you're definately going to the hospital as they
*will* get stuck. You'll likely get lots of them stuck in your hands as well, so make sure not to grab anything covered
with chips too tighly (or at all before removing the chips). Safety glasses are an absolute requirement and a face
shield is a virtual necessity. Expect to change the clothes you're wearing while using the burrs before going in the
house, car, etc. The chips will be stuck in the fabric. [/quote:022c956bc2] I've got the face shield, gloves and ear
defenders for my angle grinder already. Should be okay for the die grinder too, right? Best wishes, Chris

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View entire thread: incredible price of copper
Posted by dcaster@krl.org on Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:33 PM    Post subject: Re: incredible price of copper

You are very likely living in a house with aluminum wiring. Not for the branch circuits, but for the clothes dryer,
electric stove, and from the meter to the breaker box. I know my house has aluminum wire in those circuits. And they
have been trouble free for over thirty years. Now if Bruce Bergman reads this..........Could you comment on using the
compound used on aluminum connections on copper connections? I help out at the local high school doing things as
repairing the pottery kilns. Connectors and receptacles oxidize and fail fairly often.
Dan RAM³ wrote: [quote:3a9195ee28] I'm glad you'd be happy living in a home with Aluminum wiring - I won't knowingly
walk into one: I've fought too many fires caused by the stuff and have no desire to do so ever again.[/quote:3a9195ee28]

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Posted by Too_Many_Tools on Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:25 AM    Post subject: Re: incredible price of copper

"You are very likely living in a house with aluminum wiring. Not for the branch circuits, but for the clothes
dryer, electric stove, and from the meter to the breaker box." Good guess but no...my house has no aluminum
wiring....I checked every connection even after being told it had no aluminum. When you want to be sure, you do the
checking yourself. And FWIW, I found several loose connections. Over time houses will move and shift and that all adds
to tension on the wiring system. TMT dcaster@krl.org wrote: [quote:96f69adb37]You are very likely living in a house
with aluminum wiring. Not for the branch circuits, but for the clothes dryer, electric stove, and from the meter to the
breaker box. I know my house has aluminum wire in those circuits. And they have been trouble free for over thirty
years. Now if Bruce Bergman reads this..........Could you comment on using the compound used on aluminum connections on
copper connections? I help out at the local high school doing things as repairing the pottery kilns. Connectors and
receptacles oxidize and fail fairly often. Dan RAM³ wrote: I'm glad you'd be happy living in a home with Aluminum
wiring - I won't knowingly walk into one: I've fought too many fires caused by the stuff and have no desire to do so
ever again.[/quote:96f69adb37]

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Posted by Bruce L. Bergman on Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:11 AM    Post subject: Re: incredible price of copper

On 8 Sep 2006 09:33:24 -0700, "dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> wrote: [quote:f2cf2a6a3e]You are very
likely living in a house with aluminum wiring. Not for the branch circuits, but for the clothes dryer, electric stove,
and from the meter to the breaker box. I know my house has aluminum wire in those circuits. And they have been trouble
free for over thirty years. [/quote:f2cf2a6a3e] It's normal practice to check the main lug torque and give a visual
check for burned wiring and deterioration every time you are in a panel. Catches a lot of developing problems before
they get critical. [quote:f2cf2a6a3e]Now if Bruce Bergman reads this..........Could you comment on using the compound
used on aluminum connections on copper connections? I help out at the local high school doing things as repairing the
pottery kilns. Connectors and receptacles oxidize and fail fairly often. Dan [/quote:f2cf2a6a3e] That's more a factor
of ambient temperature than copper conductor failure - the wiring chamber gets too hot, and the lugs heading to the
heating elements get it the worst. Putting Noalox there isn't going to accomplish anything The only thing you can do
in those cases is make sure that the crimp lugs on the element studs are the special "High Temperature" ones -
Nickel alloy. And be sure to use a Copper or Nickel based anti-seize compound on all studs and screws so they come
apart later. And you want to use "Nickel Hinge Wire" for interior hookups - Nickel alloy wire with silicone
insulation and fiberglass overbraid. If you can, punch some cooling louvers in the control can. And better yet add a
small fan. Even dropping the control section interior 100F can have big benefits. --<< Bruce >>--

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Posted by RAM³ on Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:25 PM    Post subject: Re: incredible price of copper

"dcaster@krl.org" <dcaster@krl.org> wrote in news:1157733204.112786.162790@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
[quote:e61c92271f]You are very likely living in a house with aluminum wiring. Not for the branch circuits, but for the
clothes dryer, electric stove, and from the meter to the breaker box. I know my house has aluminum wire in those
circuits. And they have been trouble free for over thirty years. [/quote:e61c92271f] Not a chance: this house was
built in 1948 - long before they started marketing jacked Aluminum wiring - and none has ever been used inside it.
<grin> Even when I had the garage/shop rewired no Al wire went in. [I not only looked later, I was there while
the work was being done - an advantage of retirement - and even collected the scraps.] BTW, SWMBO has a Gas Central
Heating system, a GAS stove, a GAS dryer, and a GAS hot water heater - not electric. <GRIN> [The electric bill for
the Air Conditioning and my shop is quite high enough, thank you!]

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View entire thread: OT - The State Farm Sisters...Heros or Traitors?
Posted by F. George McDuffee on Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:42 PM    Post subject: Re: OT - The State Farm Sisters...Heros or Traitors?

On 27 Aug 2006 11:09:52 -0700, "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote: [quote:80502f1adb]I
am interested in your opinion as to what you think of the actions of these whistleblowers. I hope that every department
in every office in every[/quote:80502f1adb] organization in America has people doing the same thing. "Sun light is
the best disinfectant." [quote:80502f1adb] Were they right or wrong in their actions? See next response Where
should their loyalities lie? Unless you are a "made member" of the mob, you have no
obligation[/quote:80502f1adb] to aid, abet and enable *ANY* criminal activity. In fact, if you knowingly do so you
become an accomplice or accessory, and criminally/civily liable. As indicated by many recent media reports, most
nominally legitimate American organizations such as banks, brokerage houses, and insurance companies (as opposed to the
mob, although they may deliver a "hit" rather than cash) will seldom give you *ANY* support in any resulting
legal troubles, even if you have a contract stating otherwise. [quote:80502f1adb] If the charges prove true, would you
still have State Farm for an insurance company? Sure -- not paying claims keeps my premiums low.[/quote:80502f1adb] How
is State Farm different than any large American organization? All of them "welch" on the deal when the time
comes to pay out any large sums of money whether insurance reimbursement, pensions, or IRA withdrawals.
[quote:80502f1adb] I note that in the current pro business Republican environment, it was not the government regulation
that broke this fraud. Government agencies seldom break/make cases of this type no[/quote:80502f1adb] matter who's butt
is warming the President's or Governor's chair. I don't think this is the result of any grand conspiracy, but rather
people in the regulatory agencies following the advice "to get along, go along," and no body wanting to be the
fashion critic on the Emperor's new clothes. Except for a few egregious "in your face" individual tax
evasion cases, government regulators have not instituted any preemptive or prophylactic actions. For example, the back
dating of stock market options was uncovered by a lone academic doing a statistical analysis of information contained in
annual reports. The regulators and regulatees have become too cozy. Especially in the case of insurance, the
regulatory agencies have operationally become the enforcers for the insurance cartel, maintaining prices, limiting entry
and competition, etc. A.G. Spitzer in New York showed what can and should be done [i.e. Greenberg/AIG] As the
sources of huge pools of ready money, the insurance companies have become key players in the deindustrilization of the
United States. One example is the role Executive Life played in the dismemberment of Coleman by the efforts of
"Chain Saw" All Dunlap. FWIW -- This is another "heads up" about the actual internal operations
(after billions spent on "ethics" training) and true/real net worth (after billions spent on Sarbaines-Oxley
compliance) of America's corporate foundational companies. Any significant shock, such as another hurricane into the
Big Easy, collapse of the housing market, 100$ bbl oil, Chinese/OPEC refusal to purchase additional Federal debt and/or
roll over existing federal debt could cause the entire house of cards to collapse. Combinations of these events (and
most likely things I have not thought of) are guaranteed to blow over the Potemkin village false fronts and Wall Street
theater sets and expose the slums (or vacant fields) behind. To follow "Deep Throats" advice about
"follow the money," has anyone determined where the reserves that should have paid the hurricane damage were
that they could not be used for that purpose? Also it is common practice for insurance companies to pool/share risks so
that any one company is not overwhelmed. State Farm should have been partnered with a European and/or Asian company.
Anyone know what the story on this is? Another case where the executives were pocketing what should have been pool
payments? [quote:80502f1adb] Thanks for whatever contributions you might offer. TMT [/quote:80502f1adb] Unka George
(George McDuffee) ========== Every gun that is fired, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the
final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms
is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its
children. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969), U.S. general, Republican politician, president. Speech, April 1953,
Washington, D.C. ===========

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Posted by F. George McDuffee on Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:02 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - The State Farm Sisters...Heros or Traitors?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:11:14 GMT, "Jerry Foster" <jmfoster711NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[quote:0e5d0e23b1]"jim rozen" <jim_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:ectk3d0qrn@drn.newsguy.com... In article <5p04f2ddfgiif9j8brkku1cvtuqd07qe0s@4ax.com>, F. George McDuffee
says... SNIP As you say, at some point the cardboard walls are gonna go *bloop* and the emperor's gonna be exposed out
there, with his pants down around his ankles. Jim What pants??????? =========================[/quote:0e5d0e23b1] You
have a good point. Given the high levels of civility [not] in today's society/culture, it is my fearless forecast,
when the facts about his new clothes becomes apparent, not only the emperor, but his entire entourage will give the term
"full moon" a whole new level of meaning, while expressing their true opinion of the American people, and
their ethics, moral standards, and laws. Unka George (George McDuffee) ============================= When you give
power to an executive you do not know who will be filling that position when the time of crisis comes. Ernest
Hemingway (1899-1961), U.S. author. "Notes on the Next War: A Serious Topical Letter," in Esquire (New York,
Sept. 1935; repr. in By-Line Ernest Hemingway, ed. by William White, 1967).

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View entire thread: descaling used galvanized pipe?
Posted by tipu on Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:55 PM    Post subject: Re: descaling used galvanized pipe?

Grant Erwin wrote: [quote:7437521670]I picked up six sticks of 1" galvanized schedule 40, been used above the water
table in a water pump for 10 years. The outside isn't rusty, but the inside has a brown scale that I don't believe is
rust - I think it's groundwater scale. Is there any realistic way I can descale this pipe to use it for a shop air
piping system? I was thinking of capping the pipes at one end and putting the capped ends downhill in my driveway, and
filling the pipes from the top with some solution. But living most all my life in or very near Seattle, with it's
perfect soft water, I don't know much about descaling chemicals. I'd like something cheap, of course. Grant
[/quote:7437521670] You can use common nilon round pipe cleaning brush and ' Sulfomic Acid ' a white salt like substance
cheap and available in chemical stores. Sprikle little 1 -2 tea spoonfull Sulfomic acid inthe pipe and with the help of
the brush clean the inner surface. This acid is very mild and do not damage clothes like muteric and do not react with
Zinc. You will require 1/4 Lb to 1/2 lb of sufomic acid to clean a 20ft long pipe depending on salt deposit on zinc
surface. I have cleaned radiator tubes and GI pipes sevreral times tis way. Tipu

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Posted by Grant Erwin on Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:50 PM    Post subject: Re: descaling used galvanized pipe?

I think maybe you mean sulfamic acid. Interesting - I can actually buy the stuff. In searching for Aqua Mix, I
discovered you can buy phosphoric acid by the gallon for $15.88 online. Grant [quote:fe38463abe] You can use common
nilon round pipe cleaning brush and ' Sulfomic Acid ' a white salt like substance cheap and available in chemical
stores. Sprikle little 1 -2 tea spoonfull Sulfomic acid inthe pipe and with the help of the brush clean the inner
surface. This acid is very mild and do not damage clothes like muteric and do not react with Zinc. You will require 1/4
Lb to 1/2 lb of sufomic acid to clean a 20ft long pipe depending on salt deposit on zinc surface. I have cleaned
radiator tubes and GI pipes sevreral times tis way. Tipu [/quote:fe38463abe]

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View entire thread: sanding a steel angle
Posted by Grant Erwin on Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:23 PM    Post subject: Re: sanding a steel angle

kenny wrote: [quote:b989ad1d7c]i would like to create a pedestal/legs for my dining room table out of steel angles.
the ones that i pick up at home depot tend to be blue/black, and i would therefore like to sand them down to create a
matte metalic finish. am i correct in assuming i can do this by sanding? what would be the best method for such a
project? [/quote:b989ad1d7c] Best method is acid dipping. Get a gallon or two of muriatic acid at Home Depot and use a
baby's swimming pool or other large plastic tub. Also buy a large box of baking soda (don't know if HD carries this but
your supermarket will.) Put in enough water to cover your steel adequately, and then put on a face shield and rubber
gloves and slowly pour the contents of one gallon jug into the water. Cover it with old plywood to keep the kids &
animals out, and leave it overnight. In the morning take an old pair of pliers or long tongs if you have 'em, again
put on the face shield & rubber gloves, and lay out a piece of old plywood next to your acid tank. Then get the
garden hose running and take one piece at a time out of the dip and stand it up on the old plywood and wash it
thoroughly with the garden hose. Wear old clothes you don't mind getting a few holes in. Then, when you're done with
the acid dip, slowly stir in the entire contents of the baking soda box. Hopefully by the end of the box it will stop
foaming. If you have a pH meter for testing garden soil you can precisely neutralize it. You can also use lye to
neutralize if you know what you're doing and have some to get rid of. The neutralized dip, now a solution of ferric
chloride, salt, and some complex chloride, can just go a bucket at a time into your shop sink and into the sewer
system. It's not a good idea to dump it into the street drains unless they also go through a wastewater treatment
plant. Or you can just take them to be "pickled and oiled" for a few bucks, or pay huge dough to have them
sandblasted. GWE

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View entire thread: 12" Atlas Model 101 27430 lathe - size motor?
Posted by DoN. Nichols on Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:16 PM    Post subject: Re: 12" Atlas Model 101 27430 lathe - size motor?

According to <nomail@noplace.org>: [quote:54c22b8b19]On 11 Aug 2006 05:00:32 GMT, dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN.
Nichols) wrote: According to Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net>: [/quote:54c22b8b19] [ ... ]
[quote:54c22b8b19]2 phase? I *think* that he is talking about a 220V single-phase motor. No, it is *not* two
phase. I don't think that we really want to restart that debate. :-) Real two phase motors exist -- but they
are extremely rare, and pretty close to useless in most of the country. [/quote:54c22b8b19] [ ... ]
[quote:54c22b8b19]All I meant was that I plug it into a standard 110 v outlet - is that not two phase?
[/quote:54c22b8b19] No -- that is single phase. The only 110V three phase which I have encountered was to run
aircraft gyrocompasses and artificial horizons -- and that was also 400 Hz, not 60 Hz. [quote:54c22b8b19]and 220v -
three phase? [/quote:54c22b8b19] No -- at least not in the typical home shop. 220v in the home is also single
phase. The difference between the two (in US home wiring) is that the home gets 220V (or 240V, or 230V or
somewhere in the vicinity) from the transformer either on a power pole or a transformer in a housing on the lawn. The
center tap of that 220V winding is connected to ground and brought as a neutral to the house. 110V equipment is
connected between one of the ends of the winding and the neutral, while 220V equipment is connected between the two
ends, ignoring the neutral center tap. So power comes from two wires in either case (though some 220V equipment, such
as an electric oven in the kitchen or an electric clothes dryer may run some 110V devices between the neutral and one
side. In an oven, it would be likely to be the light bulb in the oven, or a timer mounted on the back panel. Note that
there is also a separate ground brought to the equipment for safety -- and no current should normally be drawn through
that line -- though exceptions used to be made for the single light bulb in the oven, or the timer in the clothes drier.
That is no longer allowed. True three phase has three wires bringing power to the load (motor or other things),
*plus* a safety ground, plus an optional neutral. The voltage on each of those lines compared to one of the
others will reach a peak either before or after the other combinations used as comparisons. With standard
household power, one side of the 220V line reaches a positive peak at the same instant as the other reaches a negative
peak, so there is no time shift to draw a motor in one direction or the other, which is what three phase motors depend
upon. BTW -- your lathe's motor can probably be re-wired to operate from 220V instead of 110V. This has some
advantages. It draws less current at 220V, so it can operate with lighter gauge wire, and it is less likely to trip a
circuit breaker than when running on 110V. My Clausing with a 1-1/2 HP motor was tripping the 110V circuit breaker
about one start in eight -- just often enough to be a nuisance. Rewiring it for 220V cured that problem. You may not
have this problem as your motor is smaller. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email:
<dnichols@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. |
http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:50 PM    Post subject: Re: 12" Atlas Model 101 27430 lathe - size motor?

On 11 Aug 2006 21:16:08 GMT, dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols) wrote: [quote:1af5fdb565]According to
<nomail@noplace.org>: On 11 Aug 2006 05:00:32 GMT, dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols) wrote: According to Gunner
<gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net>: [ ... ] 2 phase? I *think* that he is talking about a 220V
si