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Posted by TerriLee in WA (state) on Wed Oct 25, 2006 3:58 AM    Post subject: Re: OT- when it rains....



Wow!! How horrible. I think it must be the week for thefts. Sunday evening someone broke into my DH's truck and stole
every scrap of stuff - cell ph, laptop, $5K worth of his professional pool cues, and all of our bill stuff
(briefcase), not to mention DH's jacket, which had our house keys and the church keys in the pockets. Makes me want to
sleep with the shotgun!! Sending warm hugs and hopes that they will catch the perpetrators!! -- TerriLee in WA (state)
remove the cats to reply "~KK in BC~" <koffeekupz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zkq%g.30855$P7.13672@edtnps90... [quote:42a61d59a2]it pours. Pretty simple. It poured on us yesterday. Our pick up
was stolen. Taken for a joyride, and left in a parkinglot to run itself out of gas. They destroyed the doors trying to
break in, and they completely destroyed the ignition and steering column while hotwiring it. They trashed everything
that was in the pick up. BUT they actually stole nothing other than the truck itself. We were one of 5 - 7 (that I know
of that the RCMP told me at that time but it was early in the day) yesterday that had this happen to them. We cant
afford to fix it, we cant afford to buy a new one. THIS STINKS!!!!! These vandals/thief's were just out for joyrides and
just kept trading off for a different vehicle every so often when they tired of the one they had just stolen! The
beggars who stole it wont have to pay..... its us, the victims who pay! HOW UNFAIR IS THAT?? Estimated damage? $2000 or
so. Old truck but in excellent condition before this happened but worth fixing? no. Worth selling now? no. ARGH. And
worst part is that if it is young offenders (which we think it is, no school yesterday and only one brand of vehicles
stolen, the only one they apparently knew how to get into and hotwire) then there aint a damn thing you can do to them.
Sue the parents? Ha, fat lot of good that will do. So if they catch them its really not gonna help us much. When it was
found (by my son) it looked so sad :( and the guy that had his truck parked next to where ours was found.......... was
filing a report with the RCMP at the scene since his vehicle was no longer parked there, we were actually standing where
it used to be. They towed ours to an impound yard to take prints but now MY family must be printed to rule us out. How
unfair is that? So my family's prints will be on file and heaven help my children if they touch something that gets
stolen/damaged/etc in the future because they have prints on file for MY kids!? Now aint that a grand way to start a
Monday? What is in store for the rest of this week... ~KK in BC~ becoming way beyond frustrated and just a little more
than depressed. Thanks for letting me rant. [/quote:42a61d59a2]

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Posted by KJ on Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:00 PM    Post subject: OT Goodwill OT

Ok, so we have a corner (next to the closet) of my husband's study where we throw our cast offs to take to Goodwill.
This has been an established pattern at my house. Last week I had had enough of the mess and took several bags of
stuff over. When DH saw the receipts, he said "I see you went to Goodwill." "Yes." "You
didn't take that sports jacket that was hanging on the closet doorknob, did you?" "Yes, it was there with
the stuff.' "But it wasn't ON the pile. I hung it there to take to the cleaners. It's a really good sport coat.
" "Whattttt???????" We don't do a lot of drycleaning, so there isn't an established drop spot. It's
usually handed to me to see if I can drop it off for him. I have to know we HAVE some drycleaning in order to take
care of it! There's a quilt shop near the Goodwill store, so today I popped over to both of them. I found his jacket
and bought it back for $5.00 (it is a good jacket!) and took it to the dry cleaners on the way home. Sheesh.
Sometimes I wonder what planet he's from. I'll put it back in the closet and see if he even notices. KJ

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Posted by Kate G. on Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:15 PM    Post subject: Re: OT Goodwill OT

sounds like you got lucky! Next time you stop at your dry cleaners -- ask if they have a "bag". Most have
nylon bags that you can hang in your closet... so dry cleaning goes inside there! Now -- to start my Goodwill pile!
Kate in MI "KJ" <KJoger@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in message news:CTtxg.96577$1i1.57480@attbi_s72...
[quote:81e08f1af5]Ok, so we have a corner (next to the closet) of my husband's study where we throw our cast offs to
take to Goodwill. This has been an established pattern at my house. Last week I had had enough of the mess and took
several bags of stuff over. When DH saw the receipts, he said "I see you went to Goodwill." "Yes."
"You didn't take that sports jacket that was hanging on the closet doorknob, did you?" "Yes, it was there
with the stuff.' "But it wasn't ON the pile. I hung it there to take to the cleaners. It's a really good sport
coat. " "Whattttt???????" We don't do a lot of drycleaning, so there isn't an established drop spot. It's
usually handed to me to see if I can drop it off for him. I have to know we HAVE some drycleaning in order to take care
of it! There's a quilt shop near the Goodwill store, so today I popped over to both of them. I found his jacket and
bought it back for $5.00 (it is a good jacket!) and took it to the dry cleaners on the way home. Sheesh. Sometimes I
wonder what planet he's from. I'll put it back in the closet and see if he even notices. KJ [/quote:81e08f1af5]

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Posted by Patti on Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:25 PM    Post subject: Re: OT Goodwill OT

Thanks for the wonderful laugh, Kathyl. Last Friday, my DH had to go to a local barbecue. He gaily said 'I'll wear my
badminton T-shirt'. Well, we met playing badminton, thirty-two years ago. Yup, this was the same shirt he intended to
wear to go out [quote:f233ba82ed]gg He put it on - luckily it was so obviously too small that he had
to[/quote:f233ba82ed] concede that he couldn't wear it. He was really disappointed, and asked me to take it to the
charity shop. A 32-year-old T-shirt? I don't think so >g< .. In message
<CTtxg.96577$1i1.57480@attbi_s72>, KJ <KJoger@NOSPAMmchsi.com> writes [quote:f233ba82ed]Ok, so we have a
corner (next to the closet) of my husband's study where we throw our cast offs to take to Goodwill. This has been an
established pattern at my house. Last week I had had enough of the mess and took several bags of stuff over. When DH
saw the receipts, he said "I see you went to Goodwill." "Yes." "You didn't take that sports
jacket that was hanging on the closet doorknob, did you?" "Yes, it was there with the stuff.' "But it
wasn't ON the pile. I hung it there to take to the cleaners. It's a really good sport coat. "
"Whattttt???????" We don't do a lot of drycleaning, so there isn't an established drop spot. It's usually
handed to me to see if I can drop it off for him. I have to know we HAVE some drycleaning in order to take care of it!
There's a quilt shop near the Goodwill store, so today I popped over to both of them. I found his jacket and bought it
back for $5.00 (it is a good jacket!) and took it to the dry cleaners on the way home. Sheesh. Sometimes I wonder what
planet he's from. I'll put it back in the closet and see if he even notices. KJ [/quote:f233ba82ed] -- Best Regards
pat on the hill

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Posted by KJ on Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:53 PM    Post subject: Re: OT Goodwill OT

Now there's a picture! He's lucky you still had it. Maybe you could make a pillow out of it. KJ "Patti"
<Patti@quik.clara.co.uk> wrote in message news:ttdLpmUE5nxEJAd$@quik.clara.co.uk... [quote:e5e0d83e67]Thanks for
the wonderful laugh, Kathyl. Last Friday, my DH had to go to a local barbecue. He gaily said 'I'll wear my badminton
T-shirt'. Well, we met playing badminton, thirty-two years ago. Yup, this was the same shirt he intended to wear to go
out gg He put it on - luckily it was so obviously too small that he had to concede that he couldn't wear it. He was
really disappointed, and asked me to take it to the charity shop. A 32-year-old T-shirt? I don't think so >g . In
message <CTtxg.96577$1i1.57480@attbi_s72>, KJ <KJoger@NOSPAMmchsi.com writes Ok, so we have a corner (next to
the closet) of my husband's study where we throw our cast offs to take to Goodwill. This has been an established
pattern at my house. Last week I had had enough of the mess and took several bags of stuff over. When DH saw the
receipts, he said "I see you went to Goodwill." "Yes." "You didn't take that sports jacket that
was hanging on the closet doorknob, did you?" "Yes, it was there with the stuff.' "But it wasn't ON the
pile. I hung it there to take to the cleaners. It's a really good sport coat. " "Whattttt???????" We
don't do a lot of drycleaning, so there isn't an established drop spot. It's usually handed to me to see if I can drop
it off for him. I have to know we HAVE some drycleaning in order to take care of it! There's a quilt shop near the
Goodwill store, so today I popped over to both of them. I found his jacket and bought it back for $5.00 (it is a good
jacket!) and took it to the dry cleaners on the way home. Sheesh. Sometimes I wonder what planet he's from. I'll put
it back in the closet and see if he even notices. KJ -- Best Regards pat on the hill[/quote:e5e0d83e67]

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Posted by Taria on Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:38 AM    Post subject: Re: OT Goodwill OT

what a funny story. I hope he appreciates you enough ; ) Taria KJ wrote: [quote:3aaa652f80]Ok, so we have a corner
(next to the closet) of my husband's study where we throw our cast offs to take to Goodwill. This has been an
established pattern at my house. Last week I had had enough of the mess and took several bags of stuff over. When DH
saw the receipts, he said "I see you went to Goodwill." "Yes." "You didn't take that sports
jacket that was hanging on the closet doorknob, did you?" "Yes, it was there with the stuff.' "But it
wasn't ON the pile. I hung it there to take to the cleaners. It's a really good sport coat. "
"Whattttt???????" We don't do a lot of drycleaning, so there isn't an established drop spot. It's usually
handed to me to see if I can drop it off for him. I have to know we HAVE some drycleaning in order to take care of it!
There's a quilt shop near the Goodwill store, so today I popped over to both of them. I found his jacket and bought it
back for $5.00 (it is a good jacket!) and took it to the dry cleaners on the way home. Sheesh. Sometimes I wonder what
planet he's from. I'll put it back in the closet and see if he even notices. KJ [/quote:3aaa652f80]

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View entire thread: FQ jacket
Posted by monique on Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:07 PM    Post subject: FQ jacket

Does anyone have a good pattern for a jacket made from fat quarters? Monique

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Posted by blackrosequilts on Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:25 PM    Post subject: Re: FQ jacket

monique wrote: [quote:b3e0b68b3f]Does anyone have a good pattern for a jacket made from fat quarters? Monique
[/quote:b3e0b68b3f] I've used this one: http://tinyurl.com/ld2wl It's a "raggy jacket" -- the ones I made for
my boys have gotten lots of compliments. They can be made with flannel, which is what I did. Came out very nicely.
There are some interesting-looking patterns on this webpage too: http://www.creations-
online.com/pattkits/wearablespatts.htm but since I haven't made or seen any of them I can't give you any meaningful
feedback. -- blackrosequilts My train of thought left the station without me.
http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts 2005 BOMs: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/blackrosequilts/my_photos
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View entire thread: Busted - I was SO busted
Posted by ellice on Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:19 PM    Post subject: Re: Busted - I was SO busted

On 9/28/06 12:10 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" <cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote: [quote:3c59c1c690]On 9/28/06
11:08 AM, in article C1415D9D.E53%egirl22@verizon.net, "ellice" egirl22@verizon.net> wrote: On 9/28/06
10:59 AM, "crzy4xst@aol.com" <crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: I foolishly sent DD to
look for some orange thread to match a piece of ribbon! Does she bring down the spool? No - she starts going through
all the boxes of overdyes IN FRONT OF HER FATHER. Cheryl Dude has no clue what over-dyes cost. He's helped a DD
purchase DMC for Xmas for me, so assumes all floss is about 25-50 cents a skein. I have seen no reason to disillusion
him! Caryn p.s. We have a new very comfy sleeper sofa if you need it. You can get a great laugh out of my
"garden" Hey - not until she comes and helps me finish planting the stuff still in containers! The Macoun
apple tree we thought we'd killed has now bloomed all new leaves - so I guess we have to plant it ;^) DH here just
doesn't even look anymore... He knows what canvas costs - at least wholesale.... ellice Snicker - it'll be warm while
I'm shivering! [/quote:3c59c1c690] Quit snickering - I'll be sweating digging holes and lifting out boulders of all
sizes to finish this planting. And, now - suddenly grass is blooming in the new planter bed that the patio guys had
left cleared of vegetation, and then mulched. So, I guess I'll lift the mulch, amend the stupid soil, and finally plant
some bulbs. Suggestions - it's about 4'-5' by 10' - I want it to be my little cutting garden. Good sun - facing south -
and is a little area against the house - kind of cut out of the patio. Can I just say - I hate our builder. Our at
least the horrible nursery excuse they hired to do the landscaping. And now back to pictures of Cheryl huddling with
her overdyes stuffing the pockets of her jacket to take on her various rink travels. Yeah - that's the ticket - tell DH
it's a new way to stuff things and keep warm. Later, ellice

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Posted by crzy4xst@aol.com on Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:12 AM    Post subject: Re: Busted - I was SO busted

ellice wrote: [quote:824e598080]On 9/28/06 12:10 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" <cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote:
On 9/28/06 11:08 AM, in article C1415D9D.E53%egirl22@verizon.net, "ellice" egirl22@verizon.net> wrote: On
9/28/06 10:59 AM, "crzy4xst@aol.com" <crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: I foolishly sent
DD to look for some orange thread to match a piece of ribbon! Does she bring down the spool? No - she starts going
through all the boxes of overdyes IN FRONT OF HER FATHER. Cheryl Dude has no clue what over-dyes cost. He's helped a
DD purchase DMC for Xmas for me, so assumes all floss is about 25-50 cents a skein. I have seen no reason to
disillusion him! Caryn p.s. We have a new very comfy sleeper sofa if you need it. You can get a great laugh out of my
"garden" Hey - not until she comes and helps me finish planting the stuff still in containers! The Macoun
apple tree we thought we'd killed has now bloomed all new leaves - so I guess we have to plant it ;^) DH here just
doesn't even look anymore... He knows what canvas costs - at least wholesale.... ellice Snicker - it'll be warm while
I'm shivering! Quit snickering - I'll be sweating digging holes and lifting out boulders of all sizes to finish this
planting. And, now - suddenly grass is blooming in the new planter bed that the patio guys had left cleared of
vegetation, and then mulched. So, I guess I'll lift the mulch, amend the stupid soil, and finally plant some bulbs.
Suggestions - it's about 4'-5' by 10' - I want it to be my little cutting garden. Good sun - facing south - and is a
little area against the house - kind of cut out of the patio. Can I just say - I hate our builder. Our at least the
horrible nursery excuse they hired to do the landscaping. And now back to pictures of Cheryl huddling with her overdyes
stuffing the pockets of her jacket to take on her various rink travels. Yeah - that's the ticket - tell DH it's a new
way to stuff things and keep warm. Later, ellice [/quote:824e598080] And I've heard that silk is warmer than cotton!
Caryn

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Posted by Pat P on Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:06 PM    Post subject: Re: Busted - I was SO busted

<crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote in message news:1159575121.120236.249600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:3fc00df502] ellice wrote: On 9/28/06 12:10 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" <cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote:
On 9/28/06 11:08 AM, in article C1415D9D.E53%egirl22@verizon.net, "ellice" egirl22@verizon.net> wrote: On
9/28/06 10:59 AM, "crzy4xst@aol.com" <crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: I foolishly sent
DD to look for some orange thread to match a piece of ribbon! Does she bring down the spool? No - she starts going
through all the boxes of overdyes IN FRONT OF HER FATHER. Cheryl Dude has no clue what over-dyes cost. He's helped a
DD purchase DMC for Xmas for me, so assumes all floss is about 25-50 cents a skein. I have seen no reason to disillusion
him! Caryn p.s. We have a new very comfy sleeper sofa if you need it. You can get a great laugh out of my
"garden" Hey - not until she comes and helps me finish planting the stuff still in containers! The Macoun
apple tree we thought we'd killed has now bloomed all new leaves - so I guess we have to plant it ;^) DH here just
doesn't even look anymore... He knows what canvas costs - at least wholesale.... ellice Snicker - it'll be warm while
I'm shivering! Quit snickering - I'll be sweating digging holes and lifting out boulders of all sizes to finish this
planting. And, now - suddenly grass is blooming in the new planter bed that the patio guys had left cleared of
vegetation, and then mulched. So, I guess I'll lift the mulch, amend the stupid soil, and finally plant some bulbs.
Suggestions - it's about 4'-5' by 10' - I want it to be my little cutting garden. Good sun - facing south - and is a
little area against the house - kind of cut out of the patio. Can I just say - I hate our builder. Our at least the
horrible nursery excuse they hired to do the landscaping. And now back to pictures of Cheryl huddling with her overdyes
stuffing the pockets of her jacket to take on her various rink travels. Yeah - that's the ticket - tell DH it's a new
way to stuff things and keep warm. Later, ellice And I've heard that silk is warmer than cotton! Caryn
[/quote:3fc00df502] You`re just a stirrer!!! ;-)) Pat >

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Posted by crzy4xst@aol.com on Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:24 PM    Post subject: Re: Busted - I was SO busted

Pat P wrote: [quote:f3583a3afb]crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1159575121.120236.249600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... ellice wrote: On 9/28/06 12:10 PM, "Cheryl
Isaak" <cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote: On 9/28/06 11:08 AM, in article C1415D9D.E53%egirl22@verizon.net,
"ellice" egirl22@verizon.net> wrote: On 9/28/06 10:59 AM, "crzy4xst@aol.com"
<crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: I foolishly sent DD to look for some orange thread to match a
piece of ribbon! Does she bring down the spool? No - she starts going through all the boxes of overdyes IN FRONT OF HER
FATHER. Cheryl Dude has no clue what over-dyes cost. He's helped a DD purchase DMC for Xmas for me, so assumes all
floss is about 25-50 cents a skein. I have seen no reason to disillusion him! Caryn p.s. We have a new very comfy
sleeper sofa if you need it. You can get a great laugh out of my "garden" Hey - not until she comes and
helps me finish planting the stuff still in containers! The Macoun apple tree we thought we'd killed has now bloomed
all new leaves - so I guess we have to plant it ;^) DH here just doesn't even look anymore... He knows what canvas
costs - at least wholesale.... ellice Snicker - it'll be warm while I'm shivering! Quit snickering - I'll be
sweating digging holes and lifting out boulders of all sizes to finish this planting. And, now - suddenly grass is
blooming in the new planter bed that the patio guys had left cleared of vegetation, and then mulched. So, I guess I'll
lift the mulch, amend the stupid soil, and finally plant some bulbs. Suggestions - it's about 4'-5' by 10' - I want it
to be my little cutting garden. Good sun - facing south - and is a little area against the house - kind of cut out of
the patio. Can I just say - I hate our builder. Our at least the horrible nursery excuse they hired to do the
landscaping. And now back to pictures of Cheryl huddling with her overdyes stuffing the pockets of her jacket to take
on her various rink travels. Yeah - that's the ticket - tell DH it's a new way to stuff things and keep warm. Later,
ellice And I've heard that silk is warmer than cotton! Caryn You`re just a stirrer!!! ;-)) Pat [/quote:f3583a3afb]
But you like me anyway! lol caryn

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Posted by Pat P on Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:29 PM    Post subject: Re: Busted - I was SO busted

<crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote in message news:1159629841.963653.203150@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
[quote:973995bc54] Pat P wrote: crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1159575121.120236.249600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... ellice wrote: On 9/28/06 12:10 PM, "Cheryl
Isaak" <cherylisaak@adelphia.net> wrote: On 9/28/06 11:08 AM, in article C1415D9D.E53%egirl22@verizon.net,
"ellice" egirl22@verizon.net> wrote: On 9/28/06 10:59 AM, "crzy4xst@aol.com"
<crzy4xst@aol.com> wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: I foolishly sent DD to look for some orange thread to match a
piece of ribbon! Does she bring down the spool? No - she starts going through all the boxes of overdyes IN FRONT OF HER
FATHER. Cheryl Dude has no clue what over-dyes cost. He's helped a DD purchase DMC for Xmas for me, so assumes all
floss is about 25-50 cents a skein. I have seen no reason to disillusion him! Caryn p.s. We have a new very comfy
sleeper sofa if you need it. You can get a great laugh out of my "garden" Hey - not until she comes and
helps me finish planting the stuff still in containers! The Macoun apple tree we thought we'd killed has now bloomed
all new leaves - so I guess we have to plant it ;^) DH here just doesn't even look anymore... He knows what canvas
costs - at least wholesale.... ellice Snicker - it'll be warm while I'm shivering! Quit snickering - I'll be
sweating digging holes and lifting out boulders of all sizes to finish this planting. And, now - suddenly grass is
blooming in the new planter bed that the patio guys had left cleared of vegetation, and then mulched. So, I guess I'll
lift the mulch, amend the stupid soil, and finally plant some bulbs. Suggestions - it's about 4'-5' by 10' - I want it
to be my little cutting garden. Good sun - facing south - and is a little area against the house - kind of cut out of
the patio. Can I just say - I hate our builder. Our at least the horrible nursery excuse they hired to do the
landscaping. And now back to pictures of Cheryl huddling with her overdyes stuffing the pockets of her jacket to take
on her various rink travels. Yeah - that's the ticket - tell DH it's a new way to stuff things and keep warm. Later,
ellice And I've heard that silk is warmer than cotton! Caryn You`re just a stirrer!!! ;-)) Pat But you like me
anyway! lol caryn [/quote:973995bc54] True. God alone knows why!!! LOLOLOL! Pat

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri May 26, 2006 4:17 AM    Post subject: FA: The Potter's Dictionary of Materials and Techniques by F

This classic hardback book is useful for potters, teachers and collectors of ceramics. It is organized as an
alphabetical index of key words and phrases that give immediate access to short articles. Related articles are cross-
referenced. There are hundreds of photographs, diagrams and tables. This is a large book, about 9 X11 inches, 360
pages. It is a First Printing of 1975, published by Watson-Guptill of NY. It is in Good condition with the original
dust jacket which shows only slight wear along the edges.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8288596522

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Posted by Sean on Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:40 AM    Post subject: Re: Internal Combustion Engine Fabrication...

Thank you, everyone, for your responses. They have been very helpful. I'm just curious about the wood molds, now. Are
they carved as a relief into the wood? And if it is cast, how does one remove the inserts for the water jacket?

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Posted by Harold and Susan Vordos on Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:59 AM    Post subject: Re: Internal Combustion Engine Fabrication...

"Sean" <masdog@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1160977228.103942.183280@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quote:ebc0094a53]Thank you, everyone, for your responses. They have been very helpful. I'm just curious about the
wood molds, now. Are they carved as a relief into the wood? And if it is cast, how does one remove the inserts for the
water jacket? [/quote:ebc0094a53] The wooden patterns are generally perfect representations of the item desired to be
cast, taking shrinkage into account. The pattern is generally a percentage larger, taking into consideration the metal
from which the casting will be made. Not all metals have the same shrinkage rate. Shrink scales are available from tool
supply houses that are actually oversized-----by a percentage in keeping with requirements of the casting, so when
patterns are made one can use such a scale and work to the desired dimensions, achieving, automatically, the amount of
oversize desired. The inserts, cores, are made of sand and are left in place while the item is cast. In the case of an
engine block or head, the "freeze plugs" with which you may be familiar, are, in reality, the support points
for the cores, which bear on what are called core prints in the mold. After the part is shaken from the sand mold, they
are then removed by various means. The sand core is relatively hard, or rigid, before casting. Heat from the molten
metal is supposed to break down the bond of the core, making removal of the sand easier once the item is cast. Harold

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Posted by Sean Massey on Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:21 PM    Post subject: Re: Internal Combustion Engine Fabrication...

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote: [quote:095567972a]"Sean" <masdog@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160977228.103942.183280@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... Thank you, everyone, for your responses. They have been
very helpful. I'm just curious about the wood molds, now. Are they carved as a relief into the wood? And if it is
cast, how does one remove the inserts for the water jacket? The wooden patterns are generally perfect representations
of the item desired to be cast, taking shrinkage into account. The pattern is generally a percentage larger, taking
into consideration the metal from which the casting will be made. Not all metals have the same shrinkage rate. Shrink
scales are available from tool supply houses that are actually oversized-----by a percentage in keeping with
requirements of the casting, so when patterns are made one can use such a scale and work to the desired dimensions,
achieving, automatically, the amount of oversize desired. The inserts, cores, are made of sand and are left in place
while the item is cast. In the case of an engine block or head, the "freeze plugs" with which you may be
familiar, are, in reality, the support points for the cores, which bear on what are called core prints in the mold.
After the part is shaken from the sand mold, they are then removed by various means. The sand core is relatively hard,
or rigid, before casting. Heat from the molten metal is supposed to break down the bond of the core, making removal of
the sand easier once the item is cast. Harold Excellent. That helps a lot. Thank you Harold.[/quote:095567972a]
Sean

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Posted by Harold and Susan Vordos on Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:15 AM    Post subject: Re: Suggestions quietting a Briggs & Stratton 5500w generato

"Starz" <Starman11746@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159150534.198540.221850@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:64a0edb9a7]My idea is to modify a round baffle plate
that fits around the spark arrestor exhaust port . Hollow it out so that there is no baffle but the mounting surface
remains, attach a piece of metal flex pipe flex pipe to the remaning surface ring of the hollowed out center of the
baffle plate about six feet out. I believe this will lower exhaust noise of the generator without any back pressure to
overheat the air-cooled engine. I got this idea for being in a service station where an emissions inspection was being
performed. A large blower motor exhausted tailpape emissions , very loud. When a long rubber type hose was attached to
vent exhaust gases to outside of area it quieted the Loud exhaust blower . Any suggestions?Thanks, Starz
[/quote:64a0edb9a7] I converted a Kohler 8 horse from air to water cooled for use in the bilge of a boat. Adding the
water jacket and water cooled head did wonders for stopping some of the noise, but it was always somewhat noisy. As
others have alluded, you're highly unlikely to get a flat head air cooled engine to run quietly. Harold

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Posted by Don Foreman on Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:28 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: new LED 2AA Maglite at Walmart

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:20:40 -0700, Grant Erwin <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote: [quote:112b4742e4]Thanks, Don.
FYI, these are $24.99 online: http://www.eliteled.com/products/flashlights/tm306x.html I ordered one. Grant
[/quote:112b4742e4] Thanks for the URL. If I lost mine I'd certainly want to replace it. I think the 2AA MiniMags, LED
or otherwise are too long to carry comfortably except maybe in a jacket pocket.

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Posted by Grant Erwin on Sat Sep 23, 2006 12:10 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: new LED 2AA Maglite at Walmart

Don Foreman wrote: [quote:789618a496]On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:20:40 -0700, Grant Erwin grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net>
wrote: Thanks, Don. FYI, these are $24.99 online: http://www.eliteled.com/products/flashlights/tm306x.html I ordered
one. Grant Thanks for the URL. If I lost mine I'd certainly want to replace it. I think the 2AA MiniMags, LED or
otherwise are too long to carry comfortably except maybe in a jacket pocket. [/quote:789618a496] Don, I got the
flashlight today, seems to work great, lotta light for a little thing. On your original link, it doesn't mention
voltage regulation, nor does it on the packaging. It does, however, on the eliteled site (see above). If I'd seen this
in a store, I'd have passed on it, figuring it didn't have the voltage regulator. Do they all have voltage regulation
(to keep uniform light intensity as battery voltage drops)? If not, I wonder why Nuwai didn't mention that on their
packaging. I found eliteled.com to be good sellers, by the way, good communication, prompt shipping, pro packing.
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Posted by Grant Erwin on Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:24 PM    Post subject: psycho seller

I've been buying and selling things and dealing with all kinds of people all my life. I'm a street-savvy guy from a big
city, and I'm no stranger to how weird people can get. But I have to admit I was pretty rattled by this one. A few
days ago I saw an ad in my local craigslist which just said "shaper $125". I saw it at night and realized it
might be a good deal, but went to bed anyway. The next morning it was still there, so I called the guy, went out there
and looked at it. The machine wasn't perfect, but it ran (it's the 11" Vernon I posted about earlier this week)
so I figured for that kind of money I can't lose, and paid, knowing it would be a holy bitch to get it out of the shop.
The shop was simply an amazing place. The lot is filled with old airplane hulks, a rotting sailboat, lot of just plain
junk, everything covered with morning glory and feral cats. In the back the first person I saw was an old guy sitting
on a wheelchair in the sun with no pants on, drooling. Then the actual seller came out, a little squint-eyed guy in a
polyester jacket with a gigantic attitude. He opened up the shop, a 20x30' wood frame building from about 1910. Inside
it was very dark, a dim light hanging here and there. The shop is divided into two rooms. In the larger room (about
15x15') was packed a giant Brown & Sharpe horizontal mill, a large Smith-Drum engine lathe (maybe 16x48?), a
12" Clausing lathe, a Jet 6x18 surface grinder, a heat treating oven, a hardness tester, a refrigerator, a
microwave oven, a large air compressor, a belt/disk sander, a wood planer, the 11" shaper, the remains of a small
airplane (large body section), several bicycles, none functional, about 30 boxes of junk on the floor, and clutter
piled everywhere, and chips and dirt on top of that - DEEP. You could barely move in there. The first thing the guy said
to me just blew me away. He said "Yup, I've spent the last two weeks cleaning up in here!" I almost choked!
Anyway, like I say, that day I bought the shaper, came home, wrote the posting, done deal. The next day I loaded up a
bunch of machinery moving gear and headed back down to Little Appalachia. This time the seller was completely
different, like a different personality emerged. He was apparently kicking himself because other guys had come and
looked at the shaper and told him it was worth a ton of money. He demanded another $150 "for his time" and
whined about how he was in trouble with his wife. I thought about it for awhile and told him if it took a day and a
half of his time, that $150 might be reasonable, but that I didn't think it would take that long. We left it at that,
and worked on getting the machine up on wheels and freed up. That done, I left the matter until today. Today I went
back down there, and this time I told the guy I thought his demand for money was outrageous. He had sold me the
machine, maybe too little, maybe not, but a deal is a deal. As for helping me load it, 99% of the work was simply
moving crap in his shop, and he can't expect me to pay him to clean up his shop! The guy simply went off on me! At one
point I really thought he was going to pull a weapon. I realized at some point I wasn't dealing with someone fully
rational, but I wasn't exactly in a situation I could just walk away from either. He screamed insults at me for quite
awhile and we went back and forth and finally agreed on $100 for a "loading fee". I mean, if the guy had
simply asked $275 for the machine in the first place, I might still have bought it, and then no insanity! The machine
is still down there, I don't get to go pick it up until Monday. With a nut job like that, I'm going to be seriously
relieved to see the last of that place. I'd like to make a deal with him for the Smith-Drum lathe, but faggedaboutit!
Unbelievable. Grant Erwin

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Posted by Ignoramus17640 on Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:00 PM    Post subject: Re: psycho seller

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:24:22 -0700, Grant Erwin <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote: [quote:22600c48be]I've been
buying and selling things and dealing with all kinds of people all my life. I'm a street-savvy guy from a big city, and
I'm no stranger to how weird people can get. But I have to admit I was pretty rattled by this one. A few days ago I saw
an ad in my local craigslist which just said "shaper $125". I saw it at night and realized it might be a good
deal, but went to bed anyway. The next morning it was still there, so I called the guy, went out there and looked at it.
The machine wasn't perfect, but it ran (it's the 11" Vernon I posted about earlier this week) so I figured for that
kind of money I can't lose, and paid, knowing it would be a holy bitch to get it out of the shop. The shop was simply an
amazing place. The lot is filled with old airplane hulks, a rotting sailboat, lot of just plain junk, everything covered
with morning glory and feral cats. In the back the first person I saw was an old guy sitting on a wheelchair in the sun
with no pants on, drooling. Then the actual seller came out, a little squint-eyed guy in a polyester jacket with a
gigantic attitude. He opened up the shop, a 20x30' wood frame building from about 1910. Inside it was very dark, a dim
light hanging here and there. The shop is divided into two rooms. In the larger room (about 15x15') was packed a giant
Brown & Sharpe horizontal mill, a large Smith-Drum engine lathe (maybe 16x48?), a 12" Clausing lathe, a Jet
6x18 surface grinder, a heat treating oven, a hardness tester, a refrigerator, a microwave oven, a large air compressor,
a belt/disk sander, a wood planer, the 11" shaper, the remains of a small airplane (large body section), several
bicycles, none functional, about 30 boxes of junk on the floor, and clutter piled everywhere, and chips and dirt on top
of that - DEEP. You could barely move in there. The first thing the guy said to me just blew me away. He said "Yup,
I've spent the last two weeks cleaning up in here!" I almost choked! Anyway, like I say, that day I bought the
shaper, came home, wrote the posting, done deal. The next day I loaded up a bunch of machinery moving gear and headed
back down to Little Appalachia. This time the seller was completely different, like a different personality emerged. He
was apparently kicking himself because other guys had come and looked at the shaper and told him it was worth a ton of
money. He demanded another $150 "for his time" and whined about how he was in trouble with his wife. I thought
about it for awhile and told him if it took a day and a half of his time, that $150 might be reasonable, but that I
didn't think it would take that long. We left it at that, and worked on getting the machine up on wheels and freed up.
That done, I left the matter until today. Today I went back down there, and this time I told the guy I thought his
demand for money was outrageous. He had sold me the machine, maybe too little, maybe not, but a deal is a deal. As for
helping me load it, 99% of the work was simply moving crap in his shop, and he can't expect me to pay him to clean up
his shop! The guy simply went off on me! At one point I really thought he was going to pull a weapon. I realized at
some point I wasn't dealing with someone fully rational, but I wasn't exactly in a situation I could just walk away from
either. He screamed insults at me for quite awhile and we went back and forth and finally agreed on $100 for a
"loading fee". I mean, if the guy had simply asked $275 for the machine in the first place, I might still have
bought it, and then no insanity! The machine is still down there, I don't get to go pick it up until Monday. With a nut
job like that, I'm going to be seriously relieved to see the last of that place. I'd like to make a deal with him for
the Smith-Drum lathe, but faggedaboutit! Unbelievable. Grant Erwin [/quote:22600c48be] I would take a buddy with you
when you go there next time. Just to keep that guy a little more rational. I agree that it was outrageous. i

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Posted by Sunworshipper on Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:42 AM    Post subject: Re: psycho seller

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:24:22 -0700, Grant Erwin <grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote: [quote:508b4d6e1f]I've been
buying and selling things and dealing with all kinds of people all my life. I'm a street-savvy guy from a big city, and
I'm no stranger to how weird people can get. But I have to admit I was pretty rattled by this one. A few days ago I saw
an ad in my local craigslist which just said "shaper $125". I saw it at night and realized it might be a good
deal, but went to bed anyway. The next morning it was still there, so I called the guy, went out there and looked at it.
The machine wasn't perfect, but it ran (it's the 11" Vernon I posted about earlier this week) so I figured for that
kind of money I can't lose, and paid, knowing it would be a holy bitch to get it out of the shop. The shop was simply an
amazing place. The lot is filled with old airplane hulks, a rotting sailboat, lot of just plain junk, everything covered
with morning glory and feral cats. In the back the first person I saw was an old guy sitting on a wheelchair in the sun
with no pants on, drooling. Then the actual seller came out, a little squint-eyed guy in a polyester jacket with a
gigantic attitude. He opened up the shop, a 20x30' wood frame building from about 1910. Inside it was very dark, a dim
light hanging here and there. The shop is divided into two rooms. In the larger room (about 15x15') was packed a giant
Brown & Sharpe horizontal mill, a large Smith-Drum engine lathe (maybe 16x48?), a 12" Clausing lathe, a Jet
6x18 surface grinder, a heat treating oven, a hardness tester, a refrigerator, a microwave oven, a large air compressor,
a belt/disk sander, a wood planer, the 11" shaper, the remains of a small airplane (large body section), several
bicycles, none functional, about 30 boxes of junk on the floor, and clutter piled everywhere, and chips and dirt on top
of that - DEEP. You could barely move in there. The first thing the guy said to me just blew me away. He said "Yup,
I've spent the last two weeks cleaning up in here!" I almost choked! Anyway, like I say, that day I bought the
shaper, came home, wrote the posting, done deal. The next day I loaded up a bunch of machinery moving gear and headed
back down to Little Appalachia. This time the seller was completely different, like a different personality emerged. He
was apparently kicking himself because other guys had come and looked at the shaper and told him it was worth a ton of
money. He demanded another $150 "for his time" and whined about how he was in trouble with his wife. I thought
about it for awhile and told him if it took a day and a half of his time, that $150 might be reasonable, but that I
didn't think it would take that long. We left it at that, and worked on getting the machine up on wheels and freed up.
That done, I left the matter until today. Today I went back down there, and this time I told the guy I thought his
demand for money was outrageous. He had sold me the machine, maybe too little, maybe not, but a deal is a deal. As for
helping me load it, 99% of the work was simply moving crap in his shop, and he can't expect me to pay him to clean up
his shop! The guy simply went off on me! At one point I really thought he was going to pull a weapon. I realized at
some point I wasn't dealing with someone fully rational, but I wasn't exactly in a situation I could just walk away from
either. He screamed insults at me for quite awhile and we went back and forth and finally agreed on $100 for a
"loading fee". I mean, if the guy had simply asked $275 for the machine in the first place, I might still have
bought it, and then no insanity! The machine is still down there, I don't get to go pick it up until Monday. With a nut
job like that, I'm going to be seriously relieved to see the last of that place. I'd like to make a deal with him for
the Smith-Drum lathe, but faggedaboutit! Unbelievable. Grant Erwin [/quote:508b4d6e1f] Been there many times. Yes,
bring someone with a concealed weapon to watch your back. One was for a Model A pick up that I heard about from the
women's brother. Right from the get go I got the feeling that I may not make it out of there alive. She was really
angrily saying WHO ARE YOU, WHAT DO WANT, after I explained that I knew her bro. and the story about the truck she got
really nice. She showed me the truck in the back woods and said she'll take $1,000 for it. The truck had to be worth a
good $5,000 as is. I opened up one side of the hood and saw a wasp's nest and backed up. She spit out her chew and said
"Dem nothing but hornets" and used up the last of the chew from the round can and put it over them and crushed
it with her hand. She wanted to know my name and where I lived and to come back when I had the money. About 3 days later
I showed up and she started screaming at me that I was a liar and that I didn't live there cause it had a different name
on the mail box. I tried to explain that it was the step father's name, but she wouldn't hear another word and
threatened to kill me if I ever came back.

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Posted by Martin H. Eastburn on Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:25 AM    Post subject: Re: psycho seller

Grant - Might I suggest you have a off duty police man to help 'drive the truck...' - e.g. - help keep a legal and even
keel. Might work out. Firemen and police often work second jobs or part time - e.g. drive escort to the graveyards...
Might be nice to have a friendly witness. Martin Martin H. Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair
at consolidated dot net NRA LOH & Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder IHMSA and NRA
Metallic Silhouette maker & member http://lufkinced.com/ Grant Erwin wrote: [quote:c34ea186e7]I've been buying
and selling things and dealing with all kinds of people all my life. I'm a street-savvy guy from a big city, and I'm no
stranger to how weird people can get. But I have to admit I was pretty rattled by this one. A few days ago I saw an ad
in my local craigslist which just said "shaper $125". I saw it at night and realized it might be a good deal,
but went to bed anyway. The next morning it was still there, so I called the guy, went out there and looked at it. The
machine wasn't perfect, but it ran (it's the 11" Vernon I posted about earlier this week) so I figured for that
kind of money I can't lose, and paid, knowing it would be a holy bitch to get it out of the shop. The shop was simply an
amazing place. The lot is filled with old airplane hulks, a rotting sailboat, lot of just plain junk, everything covered
with morning glory and feral cats. In the back the first person I saw was an old guy sitting on a wheelchair in the sun
with no pants on, drooling. Then the actual seller came out, a little squint-eyed guy in a polyester jacket with a
gigantic attitude. He opened up the shop, a 20x30' wood frame building from about 1910. Inside it was very dark, a dim
light hanging here and there. The shop is divided into two rooms. In the larger room (about 15x15') was packed a giant
Brown & Sharpe horizontal mill, a large Smith-Drum engine lathe (maybe 16x48?), a 12" Clausing lathe, a Jet
6x18 surface grinder, a heat treating oven, a hardness tester, a refrigerator, a microwave oven, a large air compressor,
a belt/disk sander, a wood planer, the 11" shaper, the remains of a small airplane (large body section), several
bicycles, none functional, about 30 boxes of junk on the floor, and clutter piled everywhere, and chips and dirt on top
of that - DEEP. You could barely move in there. The first thing the guy said to me just blew me away. He said "Yup,
I've spent the last two weeks cleaning up in here!" I almost choked! Anyway, like I say, that day I bought the
shaper, came home, wrote the posting, done deal. The next day I loaded up a bunch of machinery moving gear and headed
back down to Little Appalachia. This time the seller was completely different, like a different personality emerged. He
was apparently kicking himself because other guys had come and looked at the shaper and told him it was worth a ton of
money. He demanded another $150 "for his time" and whined about how he was in trouble with his wife. I thought
about it for awhile and told him if it took a day and a half of his time, that $150 might be reasonable, but that I
didn't think it would take that long. We left it at that, and worked on getting the machine up on wheels and freed up.
That done, I left the matter until today. Today I went back down there, and this time I told the guy I thought his
demand for money was outrageous. He had sold me the machine, maybe too little, maybe not, but a deal is a deal. As for
helping me load it, 99% of the work was simply moving crap in his shop, and he can't expect me to pay him to clean up
his shop! The guy simply went off on me! At one point I really thought he was going to pull a weapon. I realized at
some point I wasn't dealing with someone fully rational, but I wasn't exactly in a situation I could just walk away from
either. He screamed insults at me for quite awhile and we went back and forth and finally agreed on $100 for a
"loading fee". I mean, if the guy had simply asked $275 for the machine in the first place, I might still have
bought it, and then no insanity! The machine is still down there, I don't get to go pick it up until Monday. With a nut
job like that, I'm going to be seriously relieved to see the last of that place. I'd like to make a deal with him for
the Smith-Drum lathe, but faggedaboutit! Unbelievable. Grant Erwin [/quote:c34ea186e7] ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com
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Posted by Tony on Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:45 AM    Post subject: Re: psycho seller

I'd try to get your money back and let him keep the piece of crap. "Grant Erwin"
<grant@NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message news:12gm6dh6dj1uq57@corp.supernews.com... [quote:fb0d056d50]I've been
buying and selling things and dealing with all kinds of people all my life. I'm a street-savvy guy from a big city, and
I'm no stranger to how weird people can get. But I have to admit I was pretty rattled by this one. A few days ago I saw
an ad in my local craigslist which just said "shaper $125". I saw it at night and realized it might be a good
deal, but went to bed anyway. The next morning it was still there, so I called the guy, went out there and looked at it.
The machine wasn't perfect, but it ran (it's the 11" Vernon I posted about earlier this week) so I figured for that
kind of money I can't lose, and paid, knowing it would be a holy bitch to get it out of the shop. The shop was simply an
amazing place. The lot is filled with old airplane hulks, a rotting sailboat, lot of just plain junk, everything covered
with morning glory and feral cats. In the back the first person I saw was an old guy sitting on a wheelchair in the sun
with no pants on, drooling. Then the actual seller came out, a little squint-eyed guy in a polyester jacket with a
gigantic attitude. He opened up the shop, a 20x30' wood frame building from about 1910. Inside it was very dark, a dim
light hanging here and there. The shop is divided into two rooms. In the larger room (about 15x15') was packed a giant
Brown & Sharpe horizontal mill, a large Smith-Drum engine lathe (maybe 16x48?), a 12" Clausing lathe, a Jet
6x18 surface grinder, a heat treating oven, a hardness tester, a refrigerator, a microwave oven, a large air compressor,
a belt/disk sander, a wood planer, the 11" shaper, the remains of a small airplane (large body section), several
bicycles, none functional, about 30 boxes of junk on the floor, and clutter piled everywhere, and chips and dirt on top
of that - DEEP. You could barely move in there. The first thing the guy said to me just blew me away. He said "Yup,
I've spent the last two weeks cleaning up in here!" I almost choked! Anyway, like I say, that day I bought the
shaper, came home, wrote the posting, done deal. The next day I loaded up a bunch of machinery moving gear and headed
back down to Little Appalachia. This time the seller was completely different, like a different personality emerged. He
was apparently kicking himself because other guys had come and looked at the shaper and told him it was worth a ton of
money. He demanded another $150 "for his time" and whined about how he was in trouble with his wife. I thought
about it for awhile and told him if it took a day and a half of his time, that $150 might be reasonable, but that I
didn't think it would take that long. We left it at that, and worked on getting the machine up on wheels and freed up.
That done, I left the matter until today. Today I went back down there, and this time I told the guy I thought his
demand for money was outrageous. He had sold me the machine, maybe too little, maybe not, but a deal is a deal. As for
helping me load it, 99% of the work was simply moving crap in his shop, and he can't expect me to pay him to clean up
his shop! The guy simply went off on me! At one point I really thought he was going to pull a weapon. I realized at
some point I wasn't dealing with someone fully rational, but I wasn't exactly in a situation I could just walk away from
either. He screamed insults at me for quite awhile and we went back and forth and finally agreed on $100 for a
"loading fee". I mean, if the guy had simply asked $275 for the machine in the first place, I might still have
bought it, and then no insanity! The machine is still down there, I don't get to go pick it up until Monday. With a nut
job like that, I'm going to be seriously relieved to see the last of that place. I'd like to make a deal with him for
the Smith-Drum lathe, but faggedaboutit! Unbelievable. Grant Erwin[/quote:fb0d056d50]

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Posted by Too_Many_Tools on Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:46 AM    Post subject: Re: psycho seller

Ok...been there, got the t-shirt and damn near got killed getting the experience. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE SITUATION.
First of all, you have figured out that you are dealing with a nut case....bipolar, meth, or just plain old crazy....you
can figure that if you get the machine out you will be lucky. It is likely that he is living off gramps social security
( the guy in the wheelchair). As has been pointed out, bring AT LEAST one more person. These types quiet down when
faced with a bunch of people. Make sure others know where you will be and when you will be there. Have a cell phone with
you in one hand and a tire iron in the other. The guys who told him that the machine was worth more could be real or
imaginary (voices that only he can hear). I note that you mentioned nothing else had been sold which likely means that
Jr. is selling off the old guy's stuff and his "buddies" are shooting off their mouths about it should bring
more. You may want to consider that Jr. doesn't have the legal right to sell this stuff. I know that the situation is
awkward now but you need to have proof (receipt or witness) to prove that you bought this machine in good faith in case
the rest of family decides to follow up on the "sale". I know it may be damn near impossible but I would make
it all happen in ONE trip...I have had far too many sane sellers waffle on a deal. Just today I bought a small mill and
made darn sure that I took it with me....with all the tooling that the father's kid was eyeing for pocket money. I
would also make sure that this character doesn not know where you live...an earlier chapter in my life taught me to
NEVER underestimate any potential stalkers. Good luck and let us know how this story ends up. TMT Grant Erwin wrote:
[quote:83ddd97bb2]I've been buying and selling things and dealing with all kinds of people all my life. I'm a street-
savvy guy from a big city, and I'm no stranger to how weird people can get. But I have to admit I was pretty rattled by
this one. A few days ago I saw an ad in my local craigslist which just said "shaper $125". I saw it at night
and realized it might be a good deal, but went to bed anyway. The next morning it was still there, so I called the guy,
went out there and looked at it. The machine wasn't perfect, but it ran (it's the 11" Vernon I posted about earlier
this week) so I figured for that kind of money I can't lose, and paid, knowing it would be a holy bitch to get it out of
the shop. The shop was simply an amazing place. The lot is filled with old airplane hulks, a rotting sailboat, lot of
just plain junk, everything covered with morning glory and feral cats. In the back the first person I saw was an old guy
sitting on a wheelchair in the sun with no pants on, drooling. Then the actual seller came out, a little squint-eyed guy
in a polyester jacket with a gigantic attitude. He opened up the shop, a 20x30' wood frame building from about 1910.
Inside it was very dark, a dim light hanging here and there. The shop is divided into two rooms. In the larger room
(about 15x15') was packed a giant Brown & Sharpe horizontal mill, a large Smith-Drum engine lathe (maybe 16x48?), a
12" Clausing lathe, a Jet 6x18 surface grinder, a heat treating oven, a hardness tester, a refrigerator, a
microwave oven, a large air compressor, a belt/disk sander, a wood planer, the 11" shaper, the remains of a small
airplane (large body section), several bicycles, none functional, about 30 boxes of junk on the floor, and clutter piled
everywhere, and chips and dirt on top of that - DEEP. You could barely move in there. The first thing the guy said to me
just blew me away. He said "Yup, I've spent the last two weeks cleaning up in here!" I almost choked! Anyway,
like I say, that day I bought the shaper, came home, wrote the posting, done deal. The next day I loaded up a bunch of
machinery moving gear and headed back down to Little Appalachia. This time the seller was completely different, like a
different personality emerged. He was apparently kicking himself because other guys had come and looked at the shaper
and told him it was worth a ton of money. He demanded another $150 "for his time" and whined about how he was
in trouble with his wife. I thought about it for awhile and told him if it took a day and a half of his time, that $150
might be reasonable, but that I didn't think it would take that long. We left it at that, and worked on getting the
machine up on wheels and freed up. That done, I left the matter until today. Today I went back down there, and this
time I told the guy I thought his demand for money was outrageous. He had sold me the machine, maybe too little, maybe
not, but a deal is a deal. As for helping me load it, 99% of the work was simply moving crap in his shop, and he can't
expect me to pay him to clean up his shop! The guy simply went off on me! At one point I really thought he was going to
pull a weapon. I realized at some point I wasn't dealing with someone fully rational, but I wasn't exactly in a
situation I could just walk away from either. He screamed insults at me for quite awhile and we went back and forth and
finally agreed on $100 for a "loading fee". I mean, if the guy had simply asked $275 for the machine in the
first place, I might still have bought it, and then no insanity! The machine is still down there, I don't get to go
pick it up until Monday. With a nut job like that, I'm going to be seriously relieved to see the last of that place. I'd
like to make a deal with him for the Smith-Drum lathe, but faggedaboutit! Unbelievable. Grant Erwin[/quote:83ddd97bb2]

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View entire thread: Newbie grinder stand question
Posted by Paul on Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:14 PM    Post subject: Re: Newbie grinder stand question

I've seen too many cases of Bench Grinders snagging and throwing small parts. This is mostly operator error, and
setting tool rest too far from wheel, or not keeping up with wheel wear. The other thing I don't like is Hot Sparks
that could be a fire hazard. In my shop, the grinding is done outside, no spark hazard. Friend had grinder fire
earlier this year. Went back in shop to get jacket, unknowingly fanned glowing embers. I could be foolish and or
prejustice, but I dislike bench grinders.

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View entire thread: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue
Posted by Larry Jaques on Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:22 PM    Post subject: Re: OT - dealing with wasps at an outdoor barbecue

On 29 Aug 2006 03:27:15 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, "Leon" <leon.heller@bulldoghome.com>
quickly quoth: [quote:a296201720]Grant Erwin wrote: --snip-- I was delighted that my idea worked so well. Most of my
guests, like most Americans, are very fearful of yellowjackets and they spent a comfortable 4 hours in my yard without
knowing they were within a few feet of many hundreds of them. I believe this method would work at nearly any yard
barbecue or dinner party. What a freedom, not having guests swatting at wasps! I always help wasps and bees that find
their way into the house get out again, catching them in my hand or picking them up if necessary. [/quote:a296201720]
Ditto here, but I put them in a glass and use a magazine blow-in card to cap it. When I was about 8, I picked up a
little ceramic teapot which I thought my sister would like. People moved off the Air Force Base often and left huge
stacks of perfectly good items at the curbside. This one evidently had a yellow jacket in it. A few minutes later, I
felt a burning sensation under my arm. I looked down into my pocket and the lid had come off the teapot, exposing a very
angry buzzer. He got me 4 times under the arm and 5 times on the ribs before he flew out of my pocket. I ran home and
Mom took me to the hospital, not knowing if I was allergic to them. That's where the fun took place. A super-sadistic
Corpsman decided to put my entire body under icewater "to slow the flow of the toxins." Never mind that it had
been nearly an hour since the damned thing had stung me. He also tied off my arm, gave me several intradermal shots of
adrenaline (Hurts like hell, blistering up the skin), and when he took that rubber band off my arm, my head blew off
from the adrenaline. So, here I am, shaking viciously from the adrenaline while 3 large corpsmen hold me under the
freezing water full of ice cubes. When the doctor finally got there and found out how long ago the stings had been, he
immediately had them release me. If I'd seen a scalpel on the tray next to me, I'd have killed or badly hurt every last
one of them right then and there. I've never been intentionally hurt and scared so badly in my life. Anyway, I didn't
hold it against the yella fellas. I don't kill them any more if I can help it (nests in the hinge area of my vehicles is
the one place I don't tolerate them.) and now just shoo them away. But I've never felt the same in a hospital again. I
don't like them for some reason. ;) --- The Titanic. The Hindenburg. The Clintons.
---- http://www.diversify.com NoteSHADES(tm) laptop privacy/glare guards

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View entire thread: TIG welding gloves too thin?
Posted by Jon Elson on Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:44 PM    Post subject: Re: TIG welding gloves too thin?

Ignoramus8392 wrote: [quote:029be095d2]The things that I usually weld, I weld at about 125 amps, give or take. My
issue is that I have some "TIG lambskin welding gloves", and after a few seconds, my fingers become
uncomfortably hot. So I am reduced to putting regular work gloves over the tig gloves, which lets me do whatever I want,
at the cost of somewhat reduced dexterity. Am I doing something wrong, perhaps? You want to keep the extension of the
electrode short, so the cup shields[/quote:029be095d2] the huge amount of light emitted by the arc. Remeber, the TIG
process at 125 A is not far from the parameters of a carbon-arc searchlight! That is a HELL of a lot of light, and you
can't see the UV output. I got burned through a dark shirt before I went and got a welder's jacket that is totally
opaque to light. If you hold your hand where the torch body and handle shield it, that should help. I just use good
insulated welder's gloves for doing TIG, and I'm pretty happy with them. You lose some feel, especially of the filler
rod, but with all that hot stuff around, I think I really need the insulation on the glove. Jon [quote:029be095d2]
[/quote:029be095d2]

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View entire thread: How to explain evaporative cooling to idiots?
Posted by Spehro Pefhany on Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:16 PM    Post subject: Re: How to explain evaporative cooling to idiots?

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:51:55 GMT, the renowned JohnF <mpi-brwNADA@phxinternet.net> wrote: [quote:36938539f2]We're
in Phoenix, it's been up to 118 degrees in the last week but the humidity is up a little due to monsoon season. Anyway,
I am trying to figure out a way to explain to these dipshit$ how evaporative cooling works (we just moved over from San
Diego last year). The one moron closes up everything because he wants to keep the cool air inside but it gets like a
sauna in here. I keep trying to make them understand that evap requires a constant change/flow of air and that closing
everything up stops that flow and concentrates the moisture in the air. They will have none of it. With the extra
humidity it gets miserable in here, humidity starts in the high 30% and drops to mid teens during the day except when
the showers start to close in. I know evap is not good in humidity but it's all we got in the shop which is why I spend
most of my day in my office where it's airconditioned. Let the unwashed (un-cooled, ignorant) masses suffer if they
won't listen. JohnF [/quote:36938539f2] Well if it's hot and you're moving around and sweaty, do you feel cooler with a
rainproof jacket on, or with a thin cotton T-shirt? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the
network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for
manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

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View entire thread: Can someone ID some exotic tig welding rods...
Posted by Gunner on Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:39 AM    Post subject: Re: Can someone ID some exotic tig welding rods...

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:52:53 -0700, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote: [quote:31694bf0e6]On Mon,
24 Jul 2006 05:05:34 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner gunner@lightspeed.net> quickly quoth: On Sun, 23 Jul
2006 21:24:39 -0500, "Martin H. Eastburn" lionslair@consolidated.net> wrote: naturally Gunner and I know
that loading Tungsten into bullet heads leads to a visit by a god badge guy... Armor piercing bullets are un-lawful
last time I looked. Normal rounds like the 308 do bad enough job, but the 'black tip' ones are not allowed.
Actually..AP is totally legal in most states, and there is no Federal law against them. Why is that? Because most rifle
cartridges will do it without tungsten or other hard alloy tip? [/quote:31694bf0e6] Correct. Most police "bullet
resistant vests" normally worn, are designed for handgun bullets. Nearly any rifle round will punch a hole right
though the front and back panels..and the wearer in between. Im aware of a police officer that was hit by a 45-70 slug
, center of mass while wearing a Level II vest, no trauma plate. No entry wound, but pretty much liquified his internal
organs. [quote:31694bf0e6] Tracers are a no no in most states, simply because of the fire hazzards involved. Grok that.
[/quote:31694bf0e6] Its surprising how far a tracer round, or any round for that matter, will bounce, skip and hop
unless it hits something solid and straight on. Particularly Full metal jacket. Which is why most varmint hunters use
soft points in areas that may not have good backstops. The softpoint will upset and explode the bullet if it hits much
of anything, where a hollowpoint may, and likely..not. Gunner "I think this is because of your belief in
biological Marxism. As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural patterns relating to race would cause a
conflict with your belief in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

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View entire thread: Book Repair for Booksellers
Posted by Anonymous on Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:56 PM    Post subject: Book Repair for Booksellers

UNBOUND: Book Repair for Booksellers A desktop handbook for quick and easy home repairs for used books. written and
badly illustrated by j godsey methuen:[sic]press.com, 2006 36pps, stapleback, illustrated. $15.00USD post paid to
anywhere in the world. [sic]press 14 pleasant street methuen, ma, 01844 usa Order at www.sicpress.com
***************** introduction Traditionally there have been two types of book repair books, there are those
books directed at the library trade, where the end goal is to prepare the book for further intense circulation, and
aesthetics take a backseat to durability. The others focus on archival preservation and restoration of books of
historical or monetary value, and are primarily for the binders, conservators and repairers of the bookworld. This
leaves booksellers wandering in the desert, with a stack of books that aren't valuable enough to send out to a full-time
professional, yet are too good to discard. This guide is intended to help extend the usefulness of books that have
already lived a rich and full life. Optional solutions are presented, as there is hardly ever only one answer to the
wide range of problems abused books can present. Each solution has been found to work adequately in the appropriate
circumstance. A word about library discards: regardless of what you may have learned from the Internet, fifty
percent of library discards are utter trash, another forty percent are little more than reading copies and cleaned up
can serve as very nice shelf copies. The other ten percent are books that are scarce in any condition and with a little
bit of careful attention can be greatly improved upon. However there are a minute number of books that should not be
'fixed' by the amateur. One can easily turn a good book into scrap paper. So, it is assumed that you have
researched the damaged book and found it not valuable enough to demand repair by a professional. It is more work for the
conservator to correct a bad repair than to just start from scratch. If the book has great monetary or sentimental
value, it is probably best that it be left 'as-is' or restored by a professional. The author takes no
responsibility for the mistakes of the user, so there. ************************ contents * read me 5 * stuff
you'll need 6 * anatomy 101 8 * dirty book 10 * dirty dust jacket 11 * writing 12 * bookplates 13
* pockets, stickers or tape 14 * crayon 15 * cocked spine 16 * missing endpaper 17 * shaken hinge 18
* loose signature 19 * loose leaf 20 * bumped corner 21 * torn leaf 22 * bubbled cloth 24 *
discolored cloth 25 * embossing 26 * wet books 27 * smelly books 28 * warped boards 29 * damaged
endpaper 30 * split spine - paperback 32 * hitch-hikers 34 * supplies 36 ****************************** j.
godsey 14 pleasant st methuen, ma 01844 Unbound: Book Repair for Booksellers. Book Deodorizer - the guaranteed solution.
http://www.bibliophilebullpen.com/

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View entire thread: Book Repair for Booksellers
Posted by Anonymous on Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:57 PM    Post subject: Book Repair for Booksellers

UNBOUND: Book Repair for Booksellers A desktop handbook for quick and easy home repairs for used books. written and
badly illustrated by j godsey methuen:[sic]press.com, 2006 36pps, stapleback, illustrated. $15.00USD post paid to
anywhere in the world. [sic]press 14 pleasant street methuen, ma, 01844 usa Order at www.sicpress.com
***************** introduction Traditionally there have been two types of book repair books, there are those
books directed at the library trade, where the end goal is to prepare the book for further intense circulation, and
aesthetics take a backseat to durability. The others focus on archival preservation and restoration of books of
historical or monetary value, and are primarily for the binders, conservators and repairers of the bookworld. This
leaves booksellers wandering in the desert, with a stack of books that aren't valuable enough to send out to a full-time
professional, yet are too good to discard. This guide is intended to help extend the usefulness of books that have
already lived a rich and full life. Optional solutions are presented, as there is hardly ever only one answer to the
wide range of problems abused books can present. Each solution has been found to work adequately in the appropriate
circumstance. A word about library discards: regardless of what you may have learned from the Internet, fifty
percent of library discards are utter trash, another forty percent are little more than reading copies and cleaned up
can serve as very nice shelf copies. The other ten percent are books that are scarce in any condition and with a little
bit of careful attention can be greatly improved upon. However there are a minute number of books that should not be
'fixed' by the amateur. One can easily turn a good book into scrap paper. So, it is assumed that you have
researched the damaged book and found it not valuable enough to demand repair by a professional. It is more work for the
conservator to correct a bad repair than to just start from scratch. If the book has great monetary or sentimental
value, it is probably best that it be left 'as-is' or restored by a professional. The author takes no
responsibility for the mistakes of the user, so there. ************************ contents * read me 5 * stuff
you'll need 6 * anatomy 101 8 * dirty book 10 * dirty dust jacket 11 * writing 12 * bookplates 13
* pockets, stickers or tape 14 * crayon 15 * cocked spine 16 * missing endpaper 17 * shaken hinge 18
* loose signature 19 * loose leaf 20 * bumped corner 21 * torn leaf 22 * bubbled cloth 24 *
discolored cloth 25 * embossing 26 * wet books 27 * smelly books 28 * warped boards 29 * damaged
endpaper 30 * split spine - paperback 32 * hitch-hikers 34 * supplies 36 ****************************** j.
godsey 14 pleasant st methuen, ma 01844 Unbound: Book Repair for Booksellers. Book Deodorizer - the guaranteed solution.
http://www.bibliophilebullpen.com/

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View entire thread: Leather Engraving
Posted by Anonymous on Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:08 PM    Post subject: Leather Engraving

Hello, I am looking for a tool / tools that will allow me to engrave / carve into leather with detail as well as area.
I am hoping to give a friend a gift of a leather jacket, and would like to carve in his name along with some designs.
Any information on this: tools / techniques / websites etc, would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Derick

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View entire thread: Leather Engraving
Posted by Scott on Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:27 PM    Post subject: Re: Leather Engraving

tandyleather.com should be able to help LOL Scott <derick.clarke@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1144674515.150431.203360@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quote:1656f33e39]Hello, I am looking for a tool / tools
that will allow me to engrave / carve into leather with detail as well as area. I am hoping to give a friend a gift of a
leather jacket, and would like to carve in his name along with some designs. Any information on this: tools / techniques
/ websites etc, would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Derick [/quote:1656f33e39]

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View entire thread: Direct Heat Wax Melter
Posted by Anonymous on Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:21 AM    Post subject: Direct Heat Wax Melter

Hi i am trying to build a direct heat wax melter, anyone knows how it works? Ps. i am interested to buy a used wax
melter water jacket or direct heat at least 50lbs capacity Please reply to rrashad@yahoo.com thank you

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View entire thread: OT: today
Posted by nzlstar* on Sat Oct 21, 2006 5:15 AM    Post subject: Re: today

i will fit it all in two suitcases and one carry on and struggle thru the various airports as i always do somehow. last
yr i only fell down one time at the bottom of the escalator in SFO on the flight in from SEA-TAC on the last day there.
luckily someone pulled me up before my hair got stuck in the stairs. just in time as there were folks behind me coming
down, lol. i somehow make it. heck what else can i do really but 'just do it' i dont think i'll be getting much at
Houston tho. now i've got around...lets see, 65+24 but that is including my carry on. i'll figure it out somehow, might
be wearing some stuff home over my jacket and as many layers of clothes as i can get on at once. hells bells its only
for a day or two of flying. no worrys, i'll make it cuz i have to make it. hugz, jeanne Tina wrote:
[quote:ae73268232]Isn't shipping stuff back home an option? Or is that too expensive? My lands, how on earth will you
get all the stuff home from Houston after the Show if you don't ship stuff home? There's no WAY you can carry all that
stuff !!!!!! Tina nzlstar* wrote: all packed (the big suitcase was 48# when i left columbux but i repacked badly it
seems as it now weighs in at 65#--ish. gonna have to repack that and get a bigger suitcase while in
VA.[/quote:ae73268232]

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View entire thread: OFF TOPIC - why me VENTING
Posted by ellice on Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:56 PM    Post subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - why me VENTING

On 10/16/06 11:32 AM, "Bruce" <ricardianteeth@btinternet.com> wrote: [quote:778cd516cb]ellice wrote:
The US version is a longer show, and there's more background and detail about what isn't working, and what will &
why. But, they're really good about telling people what type of jeans/fit should work for them. I think people either
hate them or love them. In this household we love them. Plus, the woman, Stacie, has the best legs on some nice Jewish
girl from NY that I've ever seen - so I'm completely jealous. I do think they're a bit unreasonable on the heels for
shoes, but they do point out that you can be comfortable in clothes/shoes that look good - if you buy things that fit,
and if you need tailoring - get it. I remember as a kid/teen - sometimes clothes had to be hemmed, or sleeves/cuffs
adjusted. We've become so ready-to-wear that people forget those little details can make the difference in how
something suits you, and are pretty easy to take care of. It puts me in mind of my cousin in the 1960s. He came home
and proudly showed his mother his new, expensive denim jacket and jeans. His mother, a very practical lady, said
"My word, they remind me of the stuff your father used to wear those when he was an apprentice engineer during the
war. We'd just got married & I had to clean them by spreading them out in the backyard and scrubbing them with a
stiff broom and soap." [/quote:778cd516cb] I can totally see that. My parents used to call them dungarees when I
was young - and that's what I wore at the barn when a little kiddie (breeches were for special days). My UK jeans story
- when I was working/living in Southend (working nearby) - I generally wore casual clothes to work, and would have a
jumpsuit (boiler-suit) over my clothes while in the field or getting dirty. But, at lunch, while the techs all stayed
around our area, I generally would meet the scientist/engineers (office types) at the commissary for a quick feed (and
cider). I think I was the only one in there ever in jeans (not horrid ones, but). Anyhow, later one day the senior
scientist that was my adopted dad (so to speak) wanted me to just meet up with the family/friends and we'd all go to a
restaurant for dinner (instead of the usual tea and supper later). But, I was in jeans - nice jeans - not work type,
faded or torn - but some kind of more designer-ish. Well, I asked could I just come as is in my jeans (this was over
the phone from my more remote site and if I'd have to go all the way across the towns to my hotel it would be a while).
He quite sternly said "ellice - you cannot wear jeans" - implying that I was in my field gear. My response
"But they're not Levi's..." trying to explain that they were like nice trousers, but denim as opposed to my
rough, faded, etc Levi's. Well, he clearly misheard me, and for the ensuing 15 years made fun of me at every chance, no
matter what level the meeting, conference, or just at some joint work - thinking I'd said "But they're Levi's"
- as Americans are supposedly so proud of Levi Strauss. Thing was - I don't/didn't really wear much Levi's - but all
the British crew were constantly having me bring them brand name Levi's back from the states. And no amount of my
explaining as to what I'd said would ever convince him! In the end - I do believe I sped on home (to the hotel I was
living in) and then back to meet our little group for a lovely dinner out. ellice

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View entire thread: OFF TOPIC - why me VENTING
Posted by Bruce on Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:32 PM    Post subject: Re: OFF TOPIC - why me VENTING

ellice wrote: [quote:dea5e2749e]The US version is a longer show, and there's more background and detail about what isn't
working, and what will & why. But, they're really good about telling people what type of jeans/fit should work for
them. I think people either hate them or love them. In this household we love them. Plus, the woman, Stacie, has the
best legs on some nice Jewish girl from NY that I've ever seen - so I'm completely jealous. I do think they're a bit
unreasonable on the heels for shoes, but they do point out that you can be comfortable in clothes/shoes that look good -
if you buy things that fit, and if you need tailoring - get it. I remember as a kid/teen - sometimes clothes had to be
hemmed, or sleeves/cuffs adjusted. We've become so ready-to-wear that people forget those little details can make the
difference in how something suits you, and are pretty easy to take care of. [/quote:dea5e2749e] It puts me in mind of my
cousin in the 1960s. He came home and proudly showed his mother his new, expensive denim jacket and jeans. His
mother, a very practical lady, said "My word, they remind me of the stuff your father used to wear those when he
was an apprentice engineer during the war. We'd just got married & I had to clean them by spreading them out in
the backyard and scrubbing them with a stiff broom and soap." -- Bruce Fletcher Stronsay, Orkney (Remove teeth to
reply)

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View entire thread: OT - Cell phone makers fight resales
Posted by Larry on Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:26 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - Cell phone makers fight resales

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in news:4509CBF6.7D6EEA7F@earthlink.net:
[quote:152878eb0c]I ran into it myself back in the mid '70s. We put a MATV system in a Goodyear tire store because they
were going to sell TV sets. Osha shows up, makes them turn off the system and demands that "The dangerous
wiring" be put in EMT. The wiring carried 1 thousandth of a volt. the next inspector wanted to know who the idiot
was that thought it belonged in conduit. He wasn't amused when he got a copy of the earlier write-up.
[/quote:152878eb0c] It's always a mistake to let "electricians" look at the jacket on coax cable....(c; --
There's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

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View entire thread: OT - Cell phone makers fight resales
Posted by Michael A. Terrell on Fri Sep 15, 2006 11:22 PM    Post subject: Re: OT - Cell phone makers fight resales

Larry wrote: [quote:4abdac0f20] "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:4509CBF6.7D6EEA7F@earthlink.net: I ran into it myself back in the mid '70s. We put a MATV system in a Goodyear
tire store because they were going to sell TV sets. Osha shows up, makes them turn off the system and demands that
"The dangerous wiring" be put in EMT. The wiring carried 1 thousandth of a volt. the next inspector wanted
to know who the idiot was that thought it belonged in conduit. He wasn't amused when he got a copy of the earlier
write-up. It's always a mistake to let "electricians" look at the jacket on coax cable....(c; -- There's
amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called SKIPPY. [/quote:4abdac0f20] He
wasn't an electrician. He was a brain dead bureaucrat who was there to inspect their entire store and service bay. We
pulled out the NEC and pointed out the sections that applied. His answer was that he "worked for the Federal
Government", and since the NEC was a private organization, he knew more than they did. -- Service to my country?
Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida

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View entire thread: To All Kerry Supporters......
Posted by Gunner on Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:02 AM    Post subject: Re: To All Kerry Supporters......

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:10:39 GMT, Ignoramus29862 <ignoramus29862@NOSPAM.29862.invalid> wrote:
[quote:e49a96696a]On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:09:56 -0500, megpa <megpa@cox.net> wrote: I got bumper stickers on my
dodge diesel. never had a problem with anyone.. my bumper stickers say "NRA" lol I have a window sticker,
never had a problem with it... I got stopped once in San Francisco because of an NRA sticker.[/quote:e49a96696a] First
question out of the lady cops mouth was "wheres the guns?" with her hand on her weapon. I very carefully
handed her my DL, my insurance and reg, with my CCW on the top...which Im not required to do in California. I then very
converstationally asked her if there was a problem..we needed her watch commander on scene, or AI would be checking her
jacket in the morning. She started to puff up about not honoring CCWs..and I gently reminded her that Kern Country had
very nicely put STATE OF CALIFORNIA CCW on the top of the license and if we really had a problem here...her watch
commander would be a great start..but only a start..and not only would AI be looking over her jacket..but so would Kern
Co's Sherrif AND the Counties top DA,,,both firm believers in the 2nd Am btw... I then gently motioned upwards at the
micro recorder I had running on my sunvisor (standard ops for me). If looks could kill..she would have given me 2
center of mass as she handed me my stuff and walked away, got into her squad and left the area. She never said another
word. Gunner [quote:e49a96696a]i "Gerry" <gmasterman@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1154573116.679700.265370@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote: "*"
<nospam@this.addy.com> wrote in message news:01c6b66b$24b78280$8695c3d8@race... The election is over - has been
for nearly two years, now. Kerry lost !!! Get over it !!! Lose the bumper sticker !!! It only brands you as a loser
who supports losers. NEVER, ever put any stickers or anything on your car that might piss somebody off and key your
paint job. My bud in the bodyshop says key-jobs on Bush sticker cars are keyed 50 to one for Kerry stickers. What does
that mean? That tells me the quality of the people who have Kerry stickers are so low that they feel it is appropriat
to key the car of another. Nothing but pure godd*** trash would key another's car, for any reason. But then why does it
not surprise me? [/quote:e49a96696a] "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." "Democrat. In the
dictionary it's right after demobilize and right before demode` (out of fashion). -Buddy Jordan 2001

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View entire thread: To All Kerry Supporters......
Posted by Martin H. Eastburn on Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:30 AM    Post subject: Re: To All Kerry Supporters......

I got stopped by the Texas Highway Patrol DPS - He spotted my set on the back NRA, CA, TX and he asked me politely to
come back behind the truck with my papers - no issue. He simply wanted to find out if I was asleep as I was the only
one on the state highway that time of night. No issue - wished me well and off I went. Martin H. Eastburn @ home at
Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH & Endowment Member NRA Second Amendment Task
Force Charter Founder IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member http://lufkinced.com/ Gunner wrote:
[quote:f8162d1ed6]On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:10:39 GMT, Ignoramus29862 ignoramus29862@NOSPAM.29862.invalid> wrote: On
Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:09:56 -0500, megpa <megpa@cox.net> wrote: I got bumper stickers on my dodge diesel. never had
a problem with anyone.. my bumper stickers say "NRA" lol I have a window sticker, never had a problem with
it... I got stopped once in San Francisco because of an NRA sticker. First question out of the lady cops mouth was
"wheres the guns?" with her hand on her weapon. I very carefully handed her my DL, my insurance and reg, with
my CCW on the top...which Im not required to do in California. I then very converstationally asked her if there was a
problem..we needed her watch commander on scene, or AI would be checking her jacket in the morning. She started to puff
up about not honoring CCWs..and I gently reminded her that Kern Country had very nicely put STATE OF CALIFORNIA CCW on
the top of the license and if we really had a problem here...her watch commander would be a great start..but only a
start..and not only would AI be looking over her jacket..but so would Kern Co's Sherrif AND the Counties top DA,,,both
firm believers in the 2nd Am btw... I then gently motioned upwards at the micro recorder I had running on my sunvisor
(standard ops for me). If looks could kill..she would have given me 2 center of mass as she handed me my stuff and
walked away, got into her squad and left the area. She never said another word. Gunner i "Gerry"
<gmasterman@aol.com> wrote in message news:1154573116.679700.265370@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... Tom Gardner
(nospam) wrote: "*" <nospam@this.addy.com> wrote in message news:01c6b66b$24b78280$8695c3d8@race...
The election is over - has been for nearly two years, now. Kerry lost !!! Get over it !!! Lose the bumper sticker !!!
It only brands you as a loser who supports losers. NEVER, ever put any stickers or anything on your car that might
piss somebody off and key your paint job. My bud in the bodyshop says key-jobs on Bush sticker cars are keyed 50 to one
for Kerry stickers. What does that mean? That tells me the quality of the people who have Kerry stickers are so low
that they feel it is appropriat to key the car of another. Nothing but pure godd*** trash would key another's car, for
any reason. But then why does it not surprise me? "If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need
a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around." "Democrat. In the
dictionary it's right after demobilize and right before demode` (out of fashion). -Buddy Jordan 2001
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View entire thread: Life here in Houston!!
Posted by flytyer37 on Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:01 AM    Post subject: Re: Life here in Houston!!

Say hello to my wiff Brenda and daughter Anneliese. If you see a lady with a black and white quilted jacket along with
a young lady with a mauve, sand and grey quilted jacket with flowers, tell'em that the malls up here are already
calling, wondering where they've gone to. Frank Reid

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View entire thread: Viva, Las Vegas (and Williams, AZ/Grand Canyon)
Posted by Tia Mary on Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:28 AM    Post subject: Re: Viva, Las Vegas (and Williams, AZ/Grand Canyon)

Sandy Foster wrote: [quote:c8606ab836]I grew up in Tucson, and we did get occasional snow -- a few flakes were enough to
panic the entire population. <G> When we lived in Douglas, which is much higher even though it's on the southern
border of the state, we had snow at least once a year. It looked lovely in the morning and usually melted by lunchtime.
One year we had enough snow, along with a very hard frost, to kill all of the trees in town. Driving that day was *not*
fun! [/quote:c8606ab836] After getting the cabin up in the White Mountains and being there for the Easter storm one
year -- 24 inches of snow in 24 hours, the thrill I felt at seeing those few flakes in north Scottsdale didn't qualify
as "snow" anymore -- LOL! I think the original poster has visions of white stuff covering the ground when
she talks about snow :-)! Being born and raise in LaLa Land for 18 years, I still remember the absolute THRILL the
few times in Lizard Land I saw those flakes fall from the sky, land on my jacket and then melt away!!! CiaoMeow
>^;;^< PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing
was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

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View entire thread: Looking for Health die cuts
Posted by ChrissyM on Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:27 AM    Post subject: Re: Looking for Health die cuts (tammy)

Hello Cathy, Your email address sounds familiar. Were you part of a craft group on webtv called KardKrafters? If so
you may remember me, Chrissy in upstate NY. Anyhow, I will go through my stuff and see what I can find. Karen Foster
has a cute medical line out, papers and cute gel band aid stickers. I believe the line is my Karen Foster. There is
one paper that is a doctor jacket and it has lines for your journaling. Let me see what I have if anything and will be
in touch. Chrissy

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View entire thread: OT: just checking in
Posted by off kilter quilter on Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:24 PM    Post subject: OT: just checking in

waving from the den of chaos, and the waving is slow and painful. Not sure what I did to myself, but *everything* is
hurting today - knees were barely working this morning and right shoulder feels like a large weight was on it
throughout the night. BUT...the flags got made and delivered and all payments are up to date. I have a pair of pants
to hem, laundry to put away, more laundry to wash, cat litter to empty and refill, dinner to figure out, and a house
to clean. Oh, and I have to get back to work on DHs safari jacket, make more flags for them to sell at the fundraiser
in a few weeks (18 days from today), figure out if I can actually manage to get at least 1 vest made for him, and
possibly do another commissioned quilt!! So, just wanted to check in - I have been reading while I dealt with applique
bits for the flags, and I printed out the info for the BOM...I am stopped at August, but have sept/oct/nov all lined up
on the sewing table for when I have some down time. Larisa, heading off for Advil and lunch

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View entire thread: Sweatshirts - kinda OT
Posted by Jacqueline on Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:41 AM    Post subject: Re: Sweatshirts - kinda OT

I do not have the orginial topic saved but I was just looking through my Egg Money Quilt book that I got this week and
haven't had a chance to look through it. Guess I was out chasing rabbits. Anyway one of the projects in it is to cut
a sweatshirt off and make it into a jacket. I do not have time to post the directions right now but after I get some
Zzzzzzz's that are badly needed, and the neighbor gets through cleaning house I will be more than happy to post it if
anyone wants me to. Jacqueline On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:06:17 -0400, Jacqueline <coldiron46@yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:1f32fe3fe2]Way to go, Roberta. I think that would be a great method to try. Might even try it myself. Polly
Polly, I quote you as saying, " I would no more attempt to make a cardigan from a pull-over sweatshirt than I
would starch and iron my dishtowels." Just wondering are you going to start starching and ironing your dishtowels
now? LOL Just having fun with you. Jacqueline[/quote:1f32fe3fe2]

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View entire thread: Sweatshirts - kinda OT
Posted by Sally Swindells on Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:26 AM    Post subject: Re: Sweatshirts - kinda OT

Jacqueline wrote: [quote:9ef48de142] Anyway one of the projects in it is to cut a sweatshirt off and make it into a
jacket. I do not have time to post the directions right now but after I get some Zzzzzzz's that are badly needed, and
the neighbor gets through cleaning house I will be more than happy to post it if anyone wants me to. Jacqueline
[/quote:9ef48de142] I'm in the middle of doing one of these. I'm using a Karen Stone quilt design and pp it (Birds of
Paradise). It is one of my doing by hand projects, so it is taking time. I think I have about 4 more blocks to do. If
you go to the Google archives for the group, there are lots of past postings on the subject. http://tinyurl.com/mh72v
-- Sally at the Seaside ~~~~~~~~~~ (uk) http://community.webshots.com/user/sallyswin

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View entire thread: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO
Posted by Leslie & The Furbabies in on Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:01 AM    Post subject: Re: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO

Jan and Jeanne- I think you could easily create your own pattern for this jacket. Lay a jacket or sweatshirt- one that
fits loosely- on the floor and trace it onto paper adding 5/8 in. seam allowance all around. Cut the fabric by putting
the shoulder seams of the paper pattern on the fold of the fabric. Cut the neckline (might not be the same in front
and back, so open the garment you traced and use it for the guidelines) and the sleeves and sides. Make one out of an
old sheet or cheap muslin and see where you need to adjust it to fit. It needn't have a really exact fit or anything-
make it rather loose. When you get it all fitted, lay it flat all opened up and just place your blocks, strips of
fabric, etc. over it and decorate (this could shrink the size, so that's why start with a loose fit- you *can* adjust it
smaller after decorating it) then sew up the side and sleeve in one seam. Bind the edges and add buttons, a frog or
whatever. If the front opening is to overlap for buttons, just cut the whole jacket a couple of inches wider for the
overlap. If you want it lined, after decorating it, lay it out flat on a piece of lining type fabric and cut a lining.
Assemble the jacket and lining separately by sewing the side/sleeve seams, turn the lining so the wrong side of the
lining is against the wrong side of the jacket, baste the edges together so the lining is all matched up with the jacket
and then bind the raw edges.. Did I get it about right, Jan? Leslie (former garment maker) & The Furbabies in MO.
Jan wrote: [quote:796a9807d1]"nzlstar*" <fancyfroggin@unpickit.com> wrote in
news:eev69k$qtg$1@lust.ihug.co.nz: only 2 seams? do tell. with the weather getting colder up there maybe i could make
one in time to take with me, ok ok, stop laughing you lot. then i could make one over our summer for next winter here,
geez. its only two seams. i mean surely even i could manage that in few days. <shrug you two have a ball and leave
some of the goodies for the rest of the quilters who will be there, lol....asking too much, ok, then just buy up
everything you see and enjoy the day!! cheers, jeanne www.wildonionstudio.com 2 seams.... I don't do clothes... so if
I can do this jacket... anyone can.... finished dd's up today and it is cute! Will post pics when I get around to taking
them. -- Jan.... who has her fingers in her ears screaming lalalalala at the weather report saying tornadoes
tomorrow...... no no no no RCTQ Coffee Diva[/quote:796a9807d1]

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View entire thread: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO
Posted by Jan on Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:18 PM    Post subject: Re: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO

Taria <tariawilson@verizon.net> wrote in news:6FjQg.246$wh.156@trnddc04: [quote:adc3721ea2]Gosh I wish I could go
too! I'd really like to meet you and Jan. Give her a hug for me and tell her we miss her around here. Hope you guys
have a mess of fun! Taria Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: Jan and I will be meeting on Friday at the quilt
show in Springfield, MO. Is anybody else going to be there? Are you interested in meeting two of us rctq-ers in
person? ;-))) Leslie (excited for yet another meet-up! Woohoo!!!) & The Furbabies in MO. [/quote:adc3721ea2]
Oh now you two are so sweet :-) I pop in and out when my news server lets me.. which is pretty rare these days. Can't
wait to meet up with Leslie, and I do wish Taria was closer!! Now I know there were a couple others raising their
hands when this was discussed earlier...... or maybe they are just afraid of Leslie and I together at a quilt show...
between our two creative minds... it could be too much fun for some to handle :-) My latest addiction is a quilted
jacket pattern... too much fun... and only two seams to sew.... finishing one up for DD and will bring for show and
tell ;-) -- Jan RCTQ Coffee Diva

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View entire thread: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO
Posted by nzlstar* on Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:38 PM    Post subject: Re: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO

only 2 seams? do tell. with the weather getting colder up there maybe i could make one in time to take with me, ok ok,
stop laughing you lot. then i could make one over our summer for next winter here, geez. its only two seams. i mean
surely even i could manage that in few days. <shrug> you two have a ball and leave some of the goodies for the
rest of the quilters who will be there, lol....asking too much, ok, then just buy up everything you see and enjoy the
day!! cheers, jeanne -- nzlstar at yahoo dot com nzlstar on yahoo msg'r nzlstar on webshots "Jan" wrote...
[quote:85e8408047]Oh now you two are so sweet :-) I pop in and out when my news server lets me.. which is pretty rare
these days. Can't wait to meet up with Leslie, and I do wish Taria was closer!! Now I know there were a couple others
raising their hands when this was discussed earlier...... or maybe they are just afraid of Leslie and I together at a
quilt show... between our two creative minds... it could be too much fun for some to handle :-) My latest addiction is
a quilted jacket pattern... too much fun... and only two seams to sew.... finishing one up for DD and will bring for
show and tell ;-) -- Jan RCTQ Coffee Diva Taria wrote: Gosh I wish I could go too! I'd really like to meet you and
Jan. Give her a hug for me and tell her we miss her around here. Hope you guys have a mess of fun! Taria
[/quote:85e8408047] [quote:85e8408047]Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: Jan and I will be meeting on Friday at
the quilt show in Springfield, MO. Is anybody else going to be there? Are you interested in meeting two of us rctq-ers
in person? ;-))) Leslie (excited for yet another meet-up! Woohoo!!!) & The Furbabies in MO.[/quote:85e8408047]

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View entire thread: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO
Posted by Jan on Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:28 AM    Post subject: Re: Last call for the quilt show meet-up in Springfield, MO

"nzlstar*" <fancyfroggin@unpickit.com> wrote in news:eev69k$qtg$1@lust.ihug.co.nz:
[quote:0a31c6766e]only 2 seams? do tell. with the weather getting colder up there maybe i could make one in time to take
with me, ok ok, stop laughing you lot. then i could make one over our summer for next winter here, geez. its only two
seams. i mean surely even i could manage that in few days. <shrug you two have a ball and leave some of the goodies
for the rest of the quilters who will be there, lol....asking too much, ok, then just buy up everything you see and
enjoy the day!! cheers, jeanne [/quote:0a31c6766e] www.wildonionstudio.com 2 seams.... I don't do clothes... so if I
can do this jacket... anyone can.... finished dd's up today and it is cute! Will post pics when I get around to taking
them. -- Jan.... who has her fingers in her ears screaming lalalalala at the weather report saying tornadoes
tomorrow...... no no no no RCTQ Coffee Diva

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View entire thread: Felter machine
Posted by Boca Jan on Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:29 PM    Post subject: Re: Felter machine

Thanks, that is good information. I will be going to my LQS soon and I'll check. If not, I can always go to Joann's.
-- Boca Jan Florida - Land of the Hurricanes http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos "KJ"
<KJoger@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in message news:I0UOg.146122$FQ1.47420@attbi_s71... [quote:1bf187ee3e]Make sure
you get the newer Clover spring loaded hand felter, Jan. It is so much easier than the one with the wooden handle
(Colonial, is the brand I think). With the Clover tool you just pounce (boiing, boiing, boiing!) all over your piece.
With the wooden handled one, you must punch in and then pull out. It gets tiring very fast.
http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=113057&PRODID=154985 < here's a picture of the Clover tool. You will
also need the mat.
http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml;$sessionid$X5VSP0IAAF41UP4SY5NBIHR50LD3OEPO?CATID=82328&PRODID=154987 Have fun
and show us what you make. I bought a jacket in a thrift shop that has