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Posted by Don/Gen on Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:14 PM    Post subject: Re: Bugs and creepy things Re: Swaps



where did you find the pattern. It sounds great--I just might like to try it one of these days. Gen If you have DGSs
into that sort of thing I have the most [quote:9c999fbed7]: wonderful design for a red back spider (Black Widow) from a
: Jillian Sawyer stained glass book. I have always dreamed of : sewing it about five feet high with a dark background
and : the black spider with a red satin patch on the back, and : silver quilting. But my friends all say that NO-ONE
could : possibly sleep under such a quilt. : : One day . . . . . . . . (evil chuckles) : : Let me know if you are game
to try it. LOL : -- : Cheryl & the Cats[/quote:9c999fbed7]

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Posted by Cats on Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:54 AM    Post subject: Re: Bugs and creepy things Re: Swaps

It's about #17 on the list . . . . . and given my rapidly slowing output rate . . . . . . . . . . . . . maybe one day.
-- Cheryl & the Cats 0 0 o o 0 0 ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) ( > Y
< ) U ~ U Enness Boofhead Donut (Boofhead slowly recovering from
his 3 day absence and seemingly minor injuries) http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Kate Dicey" <kate@diceyhome.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:450e5b2c$0$3580$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net... : Cats wrote: : : > If you have DGSs into that sort of
thing I have the most : > wonderful design for a red back spider (Black Widow) from a : > Jillian Sawyer stained
glass book. I have always dreamed of : > sewing it about five feet high with a dark background and : > the
black spider with a red satin patch on the back, and : > silver quilting. But my friends all say that NO-ONE could
: > possibly sleep under such a quilt. : > : > One day . . . . . . . . (evil chuckles) : > : > Let me
know if you are game to try it. LOL : : That sounds wonderful! You really should do it. :) : : -- : Kate XXXXXX
R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls : Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons : http://www.katedicey.co.uk
: Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

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Posted by Kate Dicey on Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:49 AM    Post subject: Re: Bugs and creepy things Re: Swaps

Cats wrote: [quote:3a503db087]If you have DGSs into that sort of thing I have the most wonderful design for a red back
spider (Black Widow) from a Jillian Sawyer stained glass book. I have always dreamed of sewing it about five feet high
with a dark background and the black spider with a red satin patch on the back, and silver quilting. But my friends all
say that NO-ONE could possibly sleep under such a quilt. One day . . . . . . . . (evil chuckles) Let me know if you
are game to try it. LOL [/quote:3a503db087] That sounds wonderful! You really should do it. :) -- Kate XXXXXX
R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!

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Posted by Vikki In WA State on Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:16 AM    Post subject: Re: Bugs and creepy things Re: Swaps

I made dgs pajamas out of fleece that had spiders and bats on it and he loved them. -- Vikki in WA State
"maryd" <mardor@*net> wrote in message news:12gs5jrn66sqg6b@corp.supernews.com... [quote:3051bba382]Bugs
are one thing but spiders another. <g> At least 2 are afraid of spiders. -- Mary
http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948 "Cats" <CATS@NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:450e0862_3@news.chariot.net.au... : If you have DGSs into that sort of thing I have the most : wonderful design for
a red back spider (Black Widow) from a : Jillian Sawyer stained glass book. I have always dreamed of : sewing it about
five feet high with a dark background and : the black spider with a red satin patch on the back, and : silver quilting.
But my friends all say that NO-ONE could : possibly sleep under such a quilt. : : One day . . . . . . . . (evil
chuckles) : : Let me know if you are game to try it. LOL : -- : Cheryl & the Cats : 0 0 o o
0 0 : ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) : U ~ U : Enness
Boofhead Donut : (Boofhead slowly recovering from his 3 day : absence and seemingly minor injuries) :
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest : catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau [/quote:3051bba382]

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Posted by maryd on Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:45 AM    Post subject: Re: Bugs and creepy things Re: Swaps

Bugs are one thing but spiders another. <g> At least 2 are afraid of spiders. -- Mary
http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948 "Cats" <CATS@NO.SPAM.com> wrote in message
news:450e0862_3@news.chariot.net.au... : If you have DGSs into that sort of thing I have the most : wonderful design for
a red back spider (Black Widow) from a : Jillian Sawyer stained glass book. I have always dreamed of : sewing it about
five feet high with a dark background and : the black spider with a red satin patch on the back, and : silver quilting.
But my friends all say that NO-ONE could : possibly sleep under such a quilt. : : One day . . . . . . . . (evil
chuckles) : : Let me know if you are game to try it. LOL : -- : Cheryl & the Cats : 0 0 o o
0 0 : ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) : U ~ U : Enness
Boofhead Donut : (Boofhead slowly recovering from his 3 day : absence and seemingly minor injuries) :
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest : catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau

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Posted by Cats on Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:45 AM    Post subject: Bugs and creepy things Re: Swaps

If you have DGSs into that sort of thing I have the most wonderful design for a red back spider (Black Widow) from a
Jillian Sawyer stained glass book. I have always dreamed of sewing it about five feet high with a dark background and
the black spider with a red satin patch on the back, and silver quilting. But my friends all say that NO-ONE could
possibly sleep under such a quilt. One day . . . . . . . . (evil chuckles) Let me know if you are game to try it.
LOL -- Cheryl & the Cats 0 0 o o 0 0 ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) ( >
Y < ) U ~ U Enness Boofhead Donut (Boofhead slowly recovering from
his 3 day absence and seemingly minor injuries) http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "maryd" <mardor@*net> wrote in message
news:12grv4ueoatdt42@corp.supernews.com... : Me too...... and with 5 grandsons, I'm sure I could find a home for it.
:) : : -- : Mary : http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948 : "Jean" <jkent@chartermi.net> wrote
in message : news:MWmPg.73$Ef.56@newsfe05.lga... :: I'd love to participate in a bug jar fabric swap. I have had one on
my "to :: do" list. I think it would be fun. :: :: Jean in MI :: :: "Kate G."
<grovesfam@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message :: news:cIqdnekyy_NIFpDYnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@comcast.com... :: >I
hosted a swap for "candy jar" fabrics not too long ago. I want to make :: >(it's still not done... but on
the TO DO list... The problem is ... you :: >need a wide variety of specialized fabrics (candy type) but only
SMALL :: >pieces of each one. Even less than a fat quarter! So by doing a swap -- : I :: >got 15 - 20 people
who each found ONE candy fabric... cut it up in to :: >squares (I think they were 8 inches by 10 inches) and they
all mailed : them :: >to me. Then I dealt them out like cards... and we still all paid only : for :: >" 1
yard" -- but that one year was comprised of 15 - 20 different : fabrics! :: > :: > That is a
"centralized" swap -- where everybody sends their stuff to one :: > person who shuffles it up and returns
it to the participants. Each : person :: > sends a preaddressed - -prepostaged return envelope. That way the :
hostess :: > isn't out any additional cost -- only her time. I frequently -- : generous :: > swappers include a
nice little thank you gift for taking the time and :: > trouble to coordinate the swap. :: > :: > Does that
make sense? I've never done a swap that wasn't "centralized". :: > And I'm actually thinking of doing
another one soon... this one for "BUG :: > JAR" fabrics.!!! I will if there is at least a dozen people
who would :: > want to participate. Another one I want to do is "bird seed" fabrics -- :: > anything
that looks like it could be bird seed -- that one may be harder :: > to come up with fabrics... I need to do a
little homework to see how : many :: > different fabrics like that there are out there. :: > :: > Anyhow --
that's what a swap is like! :: > :: > Kate in MI : :

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View entire thread: 9 patch pattern
Posted by nzlstar* on Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:19 PM    Post subject: Re: 9 patch pattern

http://www.quiltalotamus.com/StacknSlashQuilt.htm this explains how to do it but no pix. just visualize a 9 patch with
slightly angled tic-tac-toe lines thru it and should work a treat. if you skew the slashes a wee bit more you can get a
star. add some leading to either slightly skewed or star skewed for stained glass look block. google is your friend,
check images and u'll see a bunch of diff pix. cheers, jeanne -- san-fran at ihug dot co dot nz nzlstar on yahoo msg'r
nzlstar on webshots gen.gen.co.nz

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Posted by daniel peterman on Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:02 AM    Post subject: Re: Urethane cutter angles?

In the screen printing trade the squeegees used are urethane of various durometers. Somewhere between 55-85 shore is
preferred. For fine details the edges must be very sharp and smooth. I have never looked at one under magnification but
a trained finger can tell the difference between dull and just right. Sharpening is usually done by abrasive wheel.
Diamond wheels sold for stained glass shaping work well and I have even used a tablesaw to slice off just a bit of the
rubber. Somebody a few years ago came up with a machine that used the injector type razor blades, heated, to slice off a
few thousandths. So a heated razor blade will shave this stuff. A hot wire might work also OUTDOORS for ventilation.

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Posted by Steve Ackman on Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:52 AM    Post subject: Re: joining copper sheet at corners

In <1153603431.319970.203790@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, on 22 Jul 2006 14:23:51 -0700, newmetal wrote:
[quote:788d797e64]Thanks for the idea, I have been thinking about this for a while. Do you know what type of flux and
solder would work best for the color match? [/quote:788d797e64] Put a copper patina on standard lead-tin solder with
a simple copper sulfate solution. If you don't have crystals handy to make some up, find premixed solution in any
stained glass supply outlet. For instance: http://www.alpineglass.com/shop/product.php/id/251083/ (standard disclaimers)

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Posted by Javahut on Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:47 AM    Post subject: Re: Would somebody please explain to me .........

"David K" <david_spamtrap_@crystal-engravers.com> wrote in message news:4535f463$0$8722$ed2619ec@ptn-
nntp-reader02.plus.net... [quote:a1e5a04316]........ why there is so much animosity towards Mr Brady. I know I could
google for it but all that would throw up is more of the same. So as an occasional lurker who has been encouraged to
delurk all I am after is a simple, rational, non name calling explanation as to why he is the subject of so much vitriol
and hate. I acknowledge I know nothing of glass working however in reading posts Mr Brady appears to present a not un
reasonable case and tries to keep a civilised tone in all that he says. Admittedly I could have missed something so
perhaps you could enlighten me. I know that virtually anything goes in Usenet and people give vent to their feelings
etc however I have children who are prone to name calling and I can't help but draw comparisons.......... Such is life
(and Usenet) I suppose. David Brady is the kid in the playground when you were younger that did
anything[/quote:a1e5a04316] he thought he could do to piss off everyone else so he could get in a fist fight and prove
that he didn't know how to fight... he got his ass kicked daily and still refused to learn that he didn't know how to
fight. Same thing with glass, what he knows is just enough to get himself in trouble, and he passes that lack of
knowledge off as information worth paying for...and it's not. Just as his parents must be real proud of him, imagine
you were the person that gave the idiot his first stained glass lesson. I say first cause he obviously knows it all so
never went back for class 2. Just like a 13 year old, they know everything...

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Posted by glassman on Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:40 AM    Post subject: Re: Would somebody please explain to me .........

"Javahut" <NOwhere@notnow.com> wrote in message news:eh6ht60ugs@enews3.newsguy.com...
[quote:275e96e3cb] "David K" <david_spamtrap_@crystal-engravers.com> wrote in message
news:4535f463$0$8722$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net... ........ why there is so much animosity towards Mr Brady. I
know I could google for it but all that would throw up is more of the same. So as an occasional lurker who has been
encouraged to delurk all I am after is a simple, rational, non name calling explanation as to why he is the subject of
so much vitriol and hate. I acknowledge I know nothing of glass working however in reading posts Mr Brady appears to
present a not un reasonable case and tries to keep a civilised tone in all that he says. Admittedly I could have missed
something so perhaps you could enlighten me. I know that virtually anything goes in Usenet and people give vent to
their feelings etc however I have children who are prone to name calling and I can't help but draw comparisons..........
Such is life (and Usenet) I suppose. David Brady is the kid in the playground when you were younger that did anything
he thought he could do to piss off everyone else so he could get in a fist fight and prove that he didn't know how to
fight... he got his ass kicked daily and still refused to learn that he didn't know how to fight. Same thing with
glass, what he knows is just enough to get himself in trouble, and he passes that lack of knowledge off as information
worth paying for...and it's not. Just as his parents must be real proud of him, imagine you were the person that gave
the idiot his first stained glass lesson. I say first cause he obviously knows it all so never went back for class 2.
Just like a 13 year old, they know everything... [/quote:275e96e3cb] What gets me Java, is that he reads all these
things, and still continues with the same old same old. What an enormous ego he must have to not let this beating
bother him? -- JK Sinrod www.SinrodStudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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Posted by The Shadow on Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:44 AM    Post subject: Re: Would somebody please explain to me .........

[quote:8e71c67cc1] Brady is the kid in the playground when you were younger that did anything he thought he could do to
piss off everyone else so he could get in a fist fight and prove that he didn't know how to fight... he got his ass
kicked daily and still refused to learn that he didn't know how to fight. Same thing with glass, what he knows is just
enough to get himself in trouble, and he passes that lack of knowledge off as information worth paying for...and it's
not. Just as his parents must be real proud of him, imagine you were the person that gave the idiot his first stained
glass lesson. I say first cause he obviously knows it all so never went back for class 2. Just like a 13 year old,
they know everything... What gets me Java, is that he reads all these things, and still continues with the same old
same old. What an enormous ego he must have to not let this beating bother him? [/quote:8e71c67cc1] He is a TROLL, that
is all, he just likes to get a response, if we ignore his ass he will go away and sell his crap to unsuspecting
Canadians, and he will be really happy having his circle jerk festivals until somebody gets pissed off enough to kick
his ass agian!!

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Posted by Bart V on Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:27 PM    Post subject: Lurker, I suppose

I was thinking about you folks and signed up on this NG after not having read any of the postings for some goodly while.
Got a phone call for an estimate on fixing some pieces broken in a panel, helped the guy find his eyes after they popped
out when I told him how much. A recent email has me doing a sketch for a transom somebody wants me to do for them.
Waddaya know, they'd seen my stuff on my website, the first paid glass job coming up in what, 2 years or something. Yup,
biz is booming. Too bad it's in the oil fields out west instead of the glass bench downstairs. Other than that life's
good, the banjo bridges I started making a while ago are starting to become kinda famous. Pretty neat to be doing that
kinda thing, just sand pieces of wood - no glass shards cutting yer fingers, no oxidized lead dust clouding up the
basement :))) Speaking about that, how's your blood readings these days Moonraker, everything under control I hope. And
Javahut, my '93 Astrocious just passed yet another emission test and seeing as gas is getting cheaper... Cheers, Bart. -
**botox treatments: taxidermy on the living** Check my most up to date email address at: www.haruteq.com/contact.htm
awesome banjo bridges, tabs, stained glass: www.haruteq.com

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Posted by Bashley on Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:28 PM    Post subject: Re: Lurker Update

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by lurkers. I assume it's folks who visit, but don't participate. I also think you
have classified me as one of them because I made my first post a couple of days ago. However, I had not heard of this
group until the same day I made the post. I found the group while searching google for stained glass web sites. So - I
joined the group and posted a question. Don't know if this helps your point or not, though. Brian Ashley Moonraker
wrote: [quote:077bb7b824]Well, it looks like we have a dozen or so lurkers who made their first post...and there were
another 6 or 8 replies whose names I'd seen before around here. So, maybe we have 20-25 lurkers? There's probably a
few who didn't respond. So, experiment complete. As Brady says, "If anyone (and I know from long experience
there are many lurking readers that chose to not participate with this collective) has a serious question, they can
email me." Long experience, eh? many lurkers? Empirical data would prove otherwise.[/quote:077bb7b824]

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Posted by Moonraker on Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:51 PM    Post subject: Re: Lurker Update

"Bashley" <bashley@skypoint.com> wrote in message
news:1160504908.117480.226440@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [quote:72e6f40cdc]Well, I'm not sure what you mean by
lurkers. I assume it's folks who visit, but don't participate. I also think you have classified me as one of them
because I made my first post a couple of days ago. However, I had not heard of this group until the same day I made the
post. I found the group while searching google for stained glass web sites. So - I joined the group and posted a
question. Don't know if this helps your point or not, though. Brian Ashley Actually, I did count you as a
lurker...[/quote:72e6f40cdc] Quite a while back there was a short thread about your question. I don't recall the exact
details, one of the fellows who posts here quite a bit is an expert in old lamps. Maybe he will chime in with some
comments for you.

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Posted by Robert Banford on Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:26 AM    Post subject: Re: How Many Lurkers Do We Have?

Yes I lurk here also. Although I am not stained glass related. Bob www.banfordpaperweights.com "Moonraker"
<moonraker@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in message news:38SVg.35398$tT6.5689@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
[quote:8abbe38e38]OK, lurkers....Come on, at least reply to this one post. Let's have a nose count on the real
readership out there. Just say "Hi", and then go back to your lurk mode. +++++ PS: SMH, I know you are
lurking. [/quote:8abbe38e38]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:49 PM    Post subject: Re: How Many Lurkers Do We Have?

Moonraker wrote: [quote:a85ab26af3]OK, lurkers....Come on, at least reply to this one post. Let's have a nose count on
the real readership out there. Just say "Hi", and then go back to your lurk mode. +++++ PS: SMH, I know
you are lurking. [/quote:a85ab26af3] Belated lurker here too. Lampworking, fusing, silversmithing, trying out stained
glass, always on the lookout for new information and tips. Karin

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Posted by Norma on Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:10 AM    Post subject: Re: How Many Lurkers Do We Have?

Moonraker wrote: [quote:a95b621c75]OK, lurkers....Come on, at least reply to this one post. Let's have a nose count on
the real readership out there. Just say "Hi", and then go back to your lurk mode. +++++ PS: SMH, I know
you are lurking. [/quote:a95b621c75] I've been lurking for years. I make stained glass things as a hobby and give them
to my family and once or twice to a friend. I don't sell anything and never will. This is a good time to thank all you
regulars for all your helpful tips I've used over the years. Norma

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View entire thread: Options for frosting glass?
Posted by Moonraker on Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:46 AM    Post subject: Re: Options for frosting glass?

"TX Terry" <theresa.vazquez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159676090.608668.133530@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... [quote:234ddd26ff]Goodness, I didn't realize that there was
code for glazing. The windows are not going to be directly over the tub, so hopefully that won't be an issue. I have
not been able to find frosted or privacy glass at Home Depot or any local hardware store. Would I have to go to a
specialty shop to buy that? Do I just look under "glass shop" in the phone book? [/quote:234ddd26ff]
Whatever place you would call for mirrors and shower doors etc., should be able to help you out. There are some chains
like Binswanger Glass and The Glass Doctor that should have this in stock. HD and Lowes won't have what you want. If
you wanted "color", i.e., white with caramel color streaks, for example, your local stained glass retailer
can help. Even some textured clear in color glass from the stained glass retailer might work. You are just looking for
1/8" thick obscure glass.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sun Oct 01, 2006 6:11 AM    Post subject: Re: Options for frosting glass?

theresa.vazquez@gmail.com wrote: [quote:1f04702a28]My husband and I are remodeling a 1948 home. All of the windows are
the old double hung type. We actually like the look of these windows and are working on getting them functional again
(they have all been painted shut). I would like to do something to the windows in the bathroom to provide more privacy.
I know there is a spray and a "wallpaper" to cover the glass, but I thought I could do something nicer and
more permanent. I heard about sandblasting the glass to get a "frosted" look. So, since we already have an
air compressor, I bought a sandblasting kit at Sears for $60. I went to the local hardware store for some advice on
taking the glass panes out of the window. The guy at the store asked why I wanted to take perfectly good glass out of
the window, so I told him what I intended to do. He practically told me I was crazy. He said I was making it way too
complicated and that sandblasting the glass would break it not frost it. Is he right? Am I making this too
complicated? Would a rookie like me end up causing more harm than good? Should I just buy the spray or wallpaper? I'm
not trying to do any fancy design in the window, I just want to obscure it so it's hard to see into the bathroom. Any
advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Terry [/quote:1f04702a28] Look in the Yellow Pages under "Sandblasting"
and also under "Glass" and "Glass, Stained and leaded" Some stained glass shops do sandblasting and
if they're any good, they can do a nice even blast. They can mask off the wood frames. You might also look at local flat
glass shops...they can get many clear textures. Check local building codes to see if you have to have tempered. You
might not. Andy http://www.neoglassic.com

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Posted by TX Terry on Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:37 PM    Post subject: Re: Options for frosting glass?

neoglassic@peak.org wrote: [quote:bb15e0d808]theresa.vazquez@gmail.com wrote: My husband and I are remodeling a 1948
home. All of the windows are the old double hung type. We actually like the look of these windows and are working on
getting them functional again (they have all been painted shut). I would like to do something to the windows in the
bathroom to provide more privacy. I know there is a spray and a "wallpaper" to cover the glass, but I thought
I could do something nicer and more permanent. I heard about sandblasting the glass to get a "frosted" look.
So, since we already have an air compressor, I bought a sandblasting kit at Sears for $60. I went to the local hardware
store for some advice on taking the glass panes out of the window. The guy at the store asked why I wanted to take
perfectly good glass out of the window, so I told him what I intended to do. He practically told me I was crazy. He
said I was making it way too complicated and that sandblasting the glass would break it not frost it. Is he right? Am
I making this too complicated? Would a rookie like me end up causing more harm than good? Should I just buy the spray
or wallpaper? I'm not trying to do any fancy design in the window, I just want to obscure it so it's hard to see into
the bathroom. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Terry Look in the Yellow Pages under "Sandblasting"
and also under "Glass" and "Glass, Stained and leaded" Some stained glass shops do sandblasting and
if they're any good, they can do a nice even blast. They can mask off the wood frames. You might also look at local flat
glass shops...they can get many clear textures. Check local building codes to see if you have to have tempered. You
might not. Andy http://www.neoglassic.com [/quote:bb15e0d808] this is all great advice. Thanks so much!

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Posted by Javahut on Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:44 PM    Post subject: Re: Options for frosting glass?

"TX Terry" <theresa.vazquez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159706249.137263.73070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:36ad98a8d3] neoglassic@peak.org wrote:
theresa.vazquez@gmail.com wrote: My husband and I are remodeling a 1948 home. All of the windows are the old double
hung type. We actually like the look of these windows and are working on getting them functional again (they have all
been painted shut). I would like to do something to the windows in the bathroom to provide more privacy. I know there
is a spray and a "wallpaper" to cover the glass, but I thought I could do something nicer and more permanent.
I heard about sandblasting the glass to get a "frosted" look. So, since we already have an air compressor, I
bought a sandblasting kit at Sears for $60. I went to the local hardware store for some advice on taking the glass
panes out of the window. The guy at the store asked why I wanted to take perfectly good glass out of the window, so I
told him what I intended to do. He practically told me I was crazy. He said I was making it way too complicated and
that sandblasting the glass would break it not frost it. Is he right? Am I making this too complicated? Would a
rookie like me end up causing more harm than good? Should I just buy the spray or wallpaper? I'm not trying to do any
fancy design in the window, I just want to obscure it so it's hard to see into the bathroom. Any advice would be
appreciated. Thanks! Terry Look in the Yellow Pages under "Sandblasting" and also under "Glass"
and "Glass, Stained and leaded" Some stained glass shops do sandblasting and if they're any good, they can do
a nice even blast. They can mask off the wood frames. You might also look at local flat glass shops...they can get many
clear textures. Check local building codes to see if you have to have tempered. You might not. Andy
http://www.neoglassic.com this is all great advice. Thanks so much! [/quote:36ad98a8d3] What you are looking for in
a residential/ commercial glass and glazing shop is called by the name of "DS Ground" which is commercially
sandblasted glass, very even surface, simply remove the glazing compound and the glass "points " that are
holding you glass in and replace it all. Glass with DS Ground and points to hold it in and re-glaze with glazing putty
around the edge, (judging by the age of your home.) Much easier than sandblasting your piece. and as to tempered
glass, you are the "king/queen of your castle", you can put whatever you want in there. A commercial company
is bound by the safety glazing laws and the BOCA codes. There is no grandfathering or concern needed when doing things
to your home yourself, you may have to make changes in order to pass an inspection when you sell the house though.

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View entire thread: Options for frosting glass?
Posted by glassman on Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:33 AM    Post subject: Re: Options for frosting glass?

<theresa.vazquez@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1159674403.858041.85880@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:e0d330ca50]My husband and I are remodeling a 1948 home. All of the windows are the old double hung type. We
actually like the look of these windows and are working on getting them functional again (they have all been painted
shut). I would like to do something to the windows in the bathroom to provide more privacy. I know there is a spray
and a "wallpaper" to cover the glass, but I thought I could do something nicer and more permanent. I heard
about sandblasting the glass to get a "frosted" look. So, since we already have an air compressor, I bought a
sandblasting kit at Sears for $60. I went to the local hardware store for some advice on taking the glass panes out of
the window. The guy at the store asked why I wanted to take perfectly good glass out of the window, so I told him what
I intended to do. He practically told me I was crazy. He said I was making it way too complicated and that
sandblasting the glass would break it not frost it. Is he right? Am I making this too complicated? Would a rookie
like me end up causing more harm than good? Should I just buy the spray or wallpaper? I'm not trying to do any fancy
design in the window, I just want to obscure it so it's hard to see into the bathroom. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks! Terry [/quote:e0d330ca50] Things nobody has mentioned...... sandblasting is very dangerous, and can cause
permanent lung damage, (silicosis) if you breath in the dust. Why not consider leaving your glass in, and simply buy
some decorative glass and mount it right over your existing glass with caulking and points? I often do this with
stained glass panels I make. -- JK Sinrod www.SinrodStudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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View entire thread: Need Advice on Business
Posted by Moonraker on Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:11 PM    Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Business

"Puffy" <TheStones1nospam@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:orTPg.22881$9u.274410@ursa-
nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... [quote:c08d4a6c77]All I seem to find is starting a business doing Hydroflouric Acid Etching...any
other clues as to what to look for.. Try[/quote:c08d4a6c77]
this:http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.crafts.glass/browse_thread/thread/
4995eedc0818e2b6/9ee0c936c6fcff38?lnk=gst&q=store&rnum=2#9ee0c936c6fcff38 Title of thread in Jan 2006 is
"should I buy a local stained glass store".

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Posted by Puffy on Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:28 PM    Post subject: Re: Need Advice on Business

Thank you very much...the pros and cons discussion has helped me alot. "Moonraker"
<moonraker@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%PTPg.1131$tT6.336@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
[quote:b1e366c70e] "Puffy" <TheStones1nospam@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:orTPg.22881$9u.274410@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... All I seem to find is starting a business doing Hydroflouric Acid
Etching...any other clues as to what to look for.. Try
this:http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.crafts.glass/browse_thread/thread/
4995eedc0818e2b6/9ee0c936c6fcff38?lnk=gst&q=store&rnum=2#9ee0c936c6fcff38 Title of thread in Jan 2006 is
"should I buy a local stained glass store". [/quote:b1e366c70e]

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View entire thread: New Glass Cutting DVD available...
Posted by nichollette on Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:08 PM    Post subject: New Glass Cutting DVD available...

Check out the sale items, not just bead books, but fused glass books and general stained glass items. Take a look a
the new DVD "Secrets - Cutting Glass and Soldering for Stained Glass" The THIRD edition of the fabulous
beadmaking book "Passing The Flame"is available from www.pandorasbookshop.com The finest bead making book
available today. Sale ends this weekend. Good luck Nichollette --

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View entire thread: Business Sucks
Posted by Anonymous on Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:19 PM    Post subject: Re: Business Sucks

Moonraker wrote: [quote:67edd26f91] Opportunities seem unlimited in Vancouver, BC. ;<) [/quote:67edd26f91] Even
better in Victoria BC. Repairs & commissions are backed up so much we're turning down jobs and we're consistently
behind on filling orders for both stained glass and kilnformed glass. Sales into Alaska (gawd I love cruise ships and
NAFTA) are double last year. Same for sales of supplies. We have a steady stream of new artisans turning pro and new
retailers opening shop. The demand for kilns is so great, it's now taking about 4 weeks to get one from the factory.
Most kiln sales are to artisans that already have one or more kilns and need more capacity to handle sales demand.
Wanna piece of advice to improve business? Abandon stained glass and focus on kilnforming and torchwork. Adapt or die!
Dennis Brady Victorian Art Glass - http://www.victorianartglass.biz DeBrady Glassworks - http://www.debrady.com Glass
Campus - http://www.glasscampus.com

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Posted by Moonraker on Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:24 PM    Post subject: Re: Business Sucks

See, Kim? Right from the horse's ass...er, mouth. <dennis@debrady.com> wrote in message
news:1157476792.285881.163360@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:c495eed4b4]Moonraker wrote: Opportunities seem
unlimited in Vancouver, BC. ;<) Even better in Victoria BC. Repairs & commissions are backed up so much we're
turning down jobs and we're consistently behind on filling orders for both stained glass and kilnformed glass. Sales
into Alaska (gawd I love cruise ships and NAFTA) are double last year. Same for sales of supplies. We have a steady
stream of new artisans turning pro and new retailers opening shop. The demand for kilns is so great, it's now taking
about 4 weeks to get one from the factory. Most kiln sales are to artisans that already have one or more kilns and need
more capacity to handle sales demand. Wanna piece of advice to improve business? Abandon stained glass and focus on
kilnforming and torchwork. Adapt or die! Dennis Brady [/quote:c495eed4b4]

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View entire thread: Inland Cement....
Posted by Bart V on Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:32 PM    Post subject: Re: Inland Cement....

Try warming it up with a hair dryer or a heat gun (practice with the latter just in case it melts the came). Might work.
Might not... If the glass pieces are busted anyway, using a small screwdriver as a chisel in the came channel, bamboo
chopsticks are pretty cool for this as they're really strong and don't dig into the lead. Good luck with that one eh :)
Bart. - **botox treatments: taxidermy on the living** Check my most up to date email address at:
www.haruteq.com/contact.htm awesome banjo bridges, tabs, stained glass: www.haruteq.com

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View entire thread: Stained Glass Supplier
Posted by Sauger on Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:39 AM    Post subject: Re: Stained Glass Supplier

[quote:f78b3e3db3]Lewis.H.Ryan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156429874.177565.187320@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... I'm sorry, but it is simply not promotion for myself I am
not Hudson Glass. I do design their website. Is this an inappropriate place to tell people? If so I will remove the
link. [/quote:f78b3e3db3] Here you are spamming a stained glass forum as the owner of Hudson Glass.
http://www.stainedglasstownsquare.com/index.php?showtopic=1643 Nothing inspires confidence in a company like a lies.

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Posted by diddlywhoot on Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:35 PM    Post subject: Re: Stained Glass Supplier

never buy anything from little crappy dealers, get an account with a distributor, that where hudson gets it from.
"Sauger" <1craigslister@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156570776.033195.23200@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:f689cce666]Lewis.H.Ryan@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:1156429874.177565.187320@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... I'm sorry, but it is simply not promotion for
myself I am not Hudson Glass. I do design their website. Is this an inappropriate place to tell people? If so I will
remove the link. Here you are spamming a stained glass forum as the owner of Hudson Glass.
http://www.stainedglasstownsquare.com/index.php?showtopic=1643 Nothing inspires confidence in a company like a lies.
[/quote:f689cce666]

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View entire thread: Firing Paint Questions
Posted by Javahut on Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:11 AM    Post subject: Re: Firing Paint Questions REPORT

"nJb" <user@example.com> wrote in message news:ebb52p$tau$1@news.xmission.com...
[quote:2ea2a8895a]glassman wrote: Report on firing black Dekka paint on yellow GNA. Fired to 1200. As it approached 1100
or so I peeked and the black started to disappear. Now all that's left is faint white where the black used to be. What
did I do wrong besides doing it myself? Wrong paint? Temp too high? Ready to try again. Paradise paint will do the
job. For him it would be easier to access Reusche, thru any of the stained glass[/quote:2ea2a8895a] distributors, or he
knows where to send it to have it done inexpensively.

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View entire thread: newbie grinder question
Posted by David Billington on Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:56 PM    Post subject: Re: newbie grinder question

Moonraker don't worry about the mess I can provide plenty of evidence for it if required. I don't do stained glass but
the grinder is used in preparation of slumped items and preparation and finishing of blown glass items and is usually
used in the kitchen and even without a SO at the moment I clean up afterwards. Certain areas of the workshop such as
the machining area are usually cleaned daily after use, at least all tools are put back in their respective homes. Its
mainly out of respect for the tools and the potential for serious personal injury if machine tools are not given
proper respect and kept clean and free of debris and distractions. Other areas can get cluttered, I suppose much like
your stained glass workshop, thats not so much of an issue, but the main workshop is due for a good clean and tossing
of those little bits that just might be of use. Moonraker wrote: [quote:d846a47d50]"David Billington"
<djb@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:44B548BF.3010101@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk... Thanks,
I expect that why I have never had a problem as after use I clean it up and put it back in its drawer with the bit
removed and put the bit back amongst the collection of other bits. David, David, David.... Stained Glass shops are
SUPPOSED to be cluttered and messy. Whatever are we going to do with you? If you clean up your tools and put them up,
people will think you haven't been doing any work. Half the fun is looking for your glass cutter and pliers.
[/quote:d846a47d50]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:54 AM    Post subject: Re: newbie grinder question

David Billington wrote: [quote:a060e47d99]Moonraker don't worry about the mess I can provide plenty of evidence for it
if required. I don't do stained glass but the grinder is used in preparation of slumped items and preparation and
finishing of blown glass items and is usually used in the kitchen and even without a SO at the moment I clean up
afterwards. Certain areas of the workshop such as the machining area are usually cleaned daily after use, at least all
tools are put back in their respective homes. Its mainly out of respect for the tools and the potential for serious
personal injury if machine tools are not given proper respect and kept clean and free of debris and distractions. Other
areas can get cluttered, I suppose much like your stained glass workshop, thats not so much of an issue, but the main
workshop is due for a good clean and tossing of those little bits that just might be of use. In over 25 years, I've
never put a tool away or cleaned one. Never lost[/quote:a060e47d99] one either. I sweep up once in a while and throw a
few things away but that's pretty much it. I've never had my tools complain that they don't get no respect but then who
knows what they do when I'm not around. I had a friend that was very anal about keeping his shop clean...I think i could
have had surgery in there. I dunn...life's kinda short to have to worry too much about some stuff. Andy

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View entire thread: A very heart felt thank you to all.
Posted by Harry on Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:05 PM    Post subject: A very heart felt thank you to all.

I have found someone that will keep me supplied in stained glass pieces for some time to come and wanted to thank
everyone for the kind welcome, help and information. Thank you. Harry

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View entire thread: job opportunity
Posted by izzy33 on Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:17 PM    Post subject: job opportunity

Botti Studio located in Evanston, Il. (just north of Chicago) is accepting resumes for experienced stained glass bench
glaziers. Applicants should have a minimum of ten (10) years experience in conservation and new commissions in an
accredited (by the Stained Glass Association of America) U.S. studio or an established overseas studio. Current
projects offer work for four (4) to Five (5) months, possibly longer. Applicant should be able to begin immediately.
Please send resumes to: Botti Studio of Architectural Arts 919 Grove Street Evanston, Il. 60201 Fax: 847-869-
5996 Email: botti@bottistudio.com

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View entire thread: job opportunity
Posted by michele on Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:46 PM    Post subject: Re: job opportunity

just a thought, but 1. sounds like some one bit off more than they could chew., and 2. anyone with those kind of
credentials ...why would they be working for someone else, especially in a transit situation? is Evanston near waves? m
"izzy33" <3837962@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ZqudnU_yrKvm-ADZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
[quote:5217d7ad11]Botti Studio located in Evanston, Il. (just north of Chicago) is accepting resumes for experienced
stained glass bench glaziers. Applicants should have a minimum of ten (10) years experience in conservation and new
commissions in an accredited (by the Stained Glass Association of America) U.S. studio or an established overseas
studio. Current projects offer work for four (4) to Five (5) months, possibly longer. Applicant should be able to begin
immediately. Please send resumes to: Botti Studio of Architectural Arts 919 Grove Street Evanston, Il. 60201
Fax: 847-869-5996 Email: botti@bottistudio.com [/quote:5217d7ad11]

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Posted by Moonraker on Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:07 AM    Post subject: Re: job opportunity

"izzy33" <3837962@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ZqudnU_yrKvm-ADZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
[quote:3ec956d469]Botti Studio located in Evanston, Il. (just north of Chicago) is accepting resumes for experienced
stained glass bench glaziers. Applicants should have a minimum of ten (10) years experience in conservation and new
commissions in an accredited (by the Stained Glass Association of America) U.S. studio or an established overseas
studio. Current projects offer work for four (4) to Five (5) months, possibly longer. Applicant should be able to begin
immediately. Please send resumes to: Botti Studio of Architectural Arts 919 Grove Street Evanston, Il. 60201
Fax: 847-869-5996 Email: botti@bottistudio.com [/quote:3ec956d469] So, what's this gig gonna pay? And are you
offering hazardous duty pay for living in Chi-town?

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View entire thread: ammonium chloride (sal ammoniac)
Posted by Anonymous on Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:45 PM    Post subject: Re: ammonium chloride (sal ammoniac)

As cheap as sal ammoniac bars are why not have someone in the states send you one. They will last you till you give up
stained glass or die. I've had the same one for over 15 years and there's probably 50 years left on it. Andy
arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: [quote:eae1208d86]okay...i think that someone here told me how to 'make a block' from
ammonium chloride crystals... i can't find that information. would you be so kind as to tell me again...about a pound
of the stuff is on its way...it's good to have friends in the chemistry department of my former place of
employment...the Harvard of Turkey - (or as i like to call it..the Turkey of Harvard) thanks again.
arlene[/quote:eae1208d86]

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Posted by michele on Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:39 AM    Post subject: Re: ammonium chloride (sal ammoniac)

i have to say that i missed out completely on needing one of these. I have never used anything but a damp sponge to
clean my current tips, and in the (really) old days when i used a plumbers iron, i would keep a metal file handy and
give the tip a quick shot with that, then flux and tin the tip. It did caus ewear on the tips but they cost what, a
buck each back then? m <neoglassic@peak.org> wrote in message
news:1150404310.666744.72070@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:7c02295b98]As cheap as sal ammoniac bars are why not
have someone in the states send you one. They will last you till you give up stained glass or die. I've had the same one
for over 15 years and there's probably 50 years left on it. Andy arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: okay...i think that
someone here told me how to 'make a block' from ammonium chloride crystals... i can't find that information. would you
be so kind as to tell me again...about a pound of the stuff is on its way...it's good to have friends in the chemistry
department of my former place of employment...the Harvard of Turkey - (or as i like to call it..the Turkey of Harvard)
thanks again. arlene [/quote:7c02295b98]

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Posted by Javahut on Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:46 AM    Post subject: Re: ammonium chloride (sal ammoniac)

"Glassman" <jksinrod@aol.com> wrote in message news:%dnkg.3665$%12.1010@fe09.lga... [quote:28e67f9287]
arlene.carol@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1150360801.184084.290900@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... okay...i think
that someone here told me how to 'make a block' from ammonium chloride crystals... i can't find that information. would
you be so kind as to tell me again...about a pound of the stuff is on its way...it's good to have friends in the
chemistry department of my former place of employment...the Harvard of Turkey - (or as i like to call it..the Turkey of
Harvard) thanks again. arlene A wet sponge is all you will need. My motto is to use as little chemicals in life as
possible. I have to be near death to take a Tylenol. [/quote:28e67f9287] You in the right profession? About every
stained glass guy I have ever met has abused something sometime, you must be the exception.....splains alot.

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Posted by Glassman on Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:22 AM    Post subject: Re: ammonium chloride (sal ammoniac)

"Javahut" <notnow@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:e6t2ap01erf@enews2.newsguy.com...
[quote:50e452aef9] "Glassman" <jksinrod@aol.com> wrote in message news:%dnkg.3665$%12.1010@fe09.lga...
arlene.carol@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1150360801.184084.290900@r2g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... okay...i think
that someone here told me how to 'make a block' from ammonium chloride crystals... i can't find that information. would
you be so kind as to tell me again...about a pound of the stuff is on its way...it's good to have friends in the
chemistry department of my former place of employment...the Harvard of Turkey - (or as i like to call it..the Turkey of
Harvard) thanks again. arlene A wet sponge is all you will need. My motto is to use as little chemicals in life as
possible. I have to be near death to take a Tylenol. You in the right profession? About every stained glass guy I
have ever met has abused something sometime, you must be the exception.....splains alot. [/quote:50e452aef9] Past
is excluded.... I don't remember the 60's... ; ) -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:22 AM    Post subject: Air quality and your health (topic WAS - ammonium chloride)

I totally agree with you. and yes, stay as far away from Tylenol as possible! All of my pharmacy colleagues wouldn't
take parsetamol on a bet! speaking of chemicals...my very first stained glass mentor died of cancer at a very early
age (in his mid-40s) and after working with glass for 4 years, i too developed cancer...i was lucky to have caught it in
time...but what about the rest of you...have any of you been really ill and can you see a link between our glass work
and the illness? i'm trying to find a very good exhaust fan/ventilator for my studio these days... right now, the
weather is warm and windows and doors are open...but what's going to happen in the cold months? i have time so i'm
investigating the options here. I know there are filtering devices on the market back in the US...but i don't know if
that's the route to go or can i do better by rigging some kind of device that will get the fumes out in all
seasons...i'd like NOT to get cancer again if i can help it!! arlene Glassman wrote: [quote:88660c8159] A wet sponge
is all you will need. My motto is to use as little chemicals in life as possible. I have to be near death to take a
Tylenol. -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com[/quote:88660c8159]

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:52 AM    Post subject: Re: Air quality and your health (topic WAS - ammonium chlori

teh olny porbelm i hvae hd is tyrnig ot erad fsatre. Sractch arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: [quote:d472ce0636]I totally
agree with you. and yes, stay as far away from Tylenol as possible! All of my pharmacy colleagues wouldn't take
parsetamol on a bet! speaking of chemicals...my very first stained glass mentor died of cancer at a very early age (in
his mid-40s) and after working with glass for 4 years, i too developed cancer...i was lucky to have caught it in
time...but what about the rest of you...have any of you been really ill and can you see a link between our glass work
and the illness? i'm trying to find a very good exhaust fan/ventilator for my studio these days... right now, the
weather is warm and windows and doors are open...but what's going to happen in the cold months? i have time so i'm
investigating the options here. I know there are filtering devices on the market back in the US...but i don't know if
that's the route to go or can i do better by rigging some kind of device that will get the fumes out in all
seasons...i'd like NOT to get cancer again if i can help it!! arlene Glassman wrote: A wet sponge is all you will
need. My motto is to use as little chemicals in life as possible. I have to be near death to take a Tylenol. -- JK
Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com[/quote:d472ce0636]

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Posted by Glassman on Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:35 AM    Post subject: Re: Air quality and your health (topic WAS - ammonium chlori

<arlene.carol@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1150424552.178390.82390@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quote:e887ab456d]I totally agree with you. and yes, stay as far away from Tylenol as possible! All of my pharmacy
colleagues wouldn't take parsetamol on a bet! speaking of chemicals...my very first stained glass mentor died of
cancer at a very early age (in his mid-40s) and after working with glass for 4 years, i too developed cancer...i was
lucky to have caught it in time...but what about the rest of you...have any of you been really ill and can you see a
link between our glass work and the illness? [/quote:e887ab456d] 2 cancers, 1 death to sg workers in my family tree.
-- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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View entire thread: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron tips?
Posted by Anonymous on Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:03 AM    Post subject: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron tips?

i found this on the ERSA website... apparently it's not for stained glass production, but general info for all
soldering irons... i've always been told to NEVER use flux core solder...but i think that only refers to glass work..
does this info help to maintain the quality of your soldering iron's tip? what do you think? there's a picture on
their website as well: http://www.sell-it-
easy.de/shop_e/query.php?cp_tpl=114_ersadur.htm&cp_cat=129&cp_sid=386826c80777 Provided that the ERSADUR
soldering tips are properly cared for, tip life can be extended. The following steps should be taken: ERSADUR tips
should always be coated with solder. Without this coat, they become passive and will no longer accept solder. In this
case, the tip can be reactivated with flux and solder. To do this, wrap flux core solder around the soldering tip and
heat the iron. In addition to this, the hot tip should be cleaned regularly with a moist sponge. Spare sponges are
available in specialized trade. arlene

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Posted by JK@work on Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:04 PM    Post subject: Re: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron ti

<arlene.carol@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1150178618.889980.38600@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
[quote:9fb4eae8ab]i found this on the ERSA website... apparently it's not for stained glass production, but general
info for all soldering irons... i've always been told to NEVER use flux core solder...but i think that only refers to
glass work.. does this info help to maintain the quality of your soldering iron's tip? what do you think?
[/quote:9fb4eae8ab] Flux, or worse yet rosin core solder is nasty stuff and should be avoided. We use the mildest
water soluble flux we can get. Unless your tip is solid copper, it's only thinly plated. NEVER use anything caustic on
it. Once the plating is corroded the tip is garbage. Despite what any manufacturer tells you, most original tips will
never need to be replaced. The iron will be dead before the tip goes. IMHO -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories

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Posted by Vic on Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:18 PM    Post subject: Re: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron ti

" Flux, or worse yet rosin core solder is nasty stuff and should be [quote:95a111726f]avoided." > -- JK
Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories [/quote:95a111726f] I clean and cool the tips with a dip of rosin
and solder. Been doing over 20 years, I've seen no problems. Rosin was a common stained glass flux. A number of windows
(100+years old) I've restored still had rosin residue between the leads, with no bad effect. The problem with rosin, as
I see it, is that it is hard to clean and a bit messy to work with. Vic

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Posted by Glassman on Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:48 AM    Post subject: Re: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron ti

"Vic" <vic572@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1150237135.182158.10220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
[quote:84796ed6ec]" Flux, or worse yet rosin core solder is nasty stuff and should be avoided." > -- JK
Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories I clean and cool the tips with a dip of rosin and solder. Been
doing over 20 years, I've seen no problems. Rosin was a common stained glass flux. A number of windows (100+years old)
I've restored still had rosin residue between the leads, with no bad effect. The problem with rosin, as I see it, is
that it is hard to clean and a bit messy to work with. Vic [/quote:84796ed6ec] Oh I know it works, my issue is
the god awful stench that burns the eyes and lungs. It's not mistaken for anything else once you've smelled it from an
old window. That stuff can't be doing your body any good. -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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Posted by Vic on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:04 AM    Post subject: Re: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron ti

Glassman wrote: [quote:891e88c9b2]"Vic" <vic572@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150237135.182158.10220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... " Flux, or worse yet rosin core solder is nasty
stuff and should be avoided." > -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories I clean and cool
the tips with a dip of rosin and solder. Been doing over 20 years, I've seen no problems. Rosin was a common stained
glass flux. A number of windows (100+years old) I've restored still had rosin residue between the leads, with no bad
effect. The problem with rosin, as I see it, is that it is hard to clean and a bit messy to work with. Vic Oh I
know it works, my issue is the god awful stench that burns the eyes and lungs. It's not mistaken for anything else once
you've smelled it from an old window. That stuff can't be doing your body any good. -- JK Sinrod
www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com [/quote:891e88c9b2] I love the smelland smoke of rosin in the
morning.

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Posted by Vic on Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:05 AM    Post subject: Re: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron ti

Glassman wrote: [quote:cd6fb0b7bf]"Vic" <vic572@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150237135.182158.10220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... " Flux, or worse yet rosin core solder is nasty
stuff and should be avoided." > -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories I clean and cool
the tips with a dip of rosin and solder. Been doing over 20 years, I've seen no problems. Rosin was a common stained
glass flux. A number of windows (100+years old) I've restored still had rosin residue between the leads, with no bad
effect. The problem with rosin, as I see it, is that it is hard to clean and a bit messy to work with. Vic Oh I
know it works, my issue is the god awful stench that burns the eyes and lungs. It's not mistaken for anything else once
you've smelled it from an old window. That stuff can't be doing your body any good. -- JK Sinrod
www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com [/quote:cd6fb0b7bf] I love the smelland smoke of rosin in the
morning.

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Posted by nJb on Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:10 AM    Post subject: Re: what do you think of this advice about soldering iron ti

Vic wrote: [quote:8be6cc6225]Glassman wrote: "Vic" <vic572@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150237135.182158.10220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... " Flux, or worse yet rosin core solder is nasty
stuff and should be avoided." > -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories I clean and cool
the tips with a dip of rosin and solder. Been doing over 20 years, I've seen no problems. Rosin was a common stained
glass flux. A number of windows (100+years old) I've restored still had rosin residue between the leads, with no bad
effect. The problem with rosin, as I see it, is that it is hard to clean and a bit messy to work with. Vic Oh I
know it works, my issue is the god awful stench that burns the eyes and lungs. It's not mistaken for anything else once
you've smelled it from an old window. That stuff can't be doing your body any good. -- JK Sinrod
www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com I love the smelland smoke of rosin in the morning.
[/quote:8be6cc6225] It smells like... like... victory. Jack

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Posted by Anonymous on Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:10 AM    Post subject: Re: where are my helpers??

Hi Mike... what is this? i don't seem to have much of a choice here...the only two irons on the market, as far as i can
tell are the German models and the Turkish knock-offs. There are two analog irons..one is a 60watt, the other an
80watt. i STILL can't find a supplier outside Turkey that can give me electrical stuff that works on our current! The
folks in UK don't seem to be able to help me...their plugs are so strange... are there NO SUPPLIERS in Italy, France,
Spain, anywhere except UK??? they don't show up on any searches i've been doing. this is crazy! there MUST be people
doing stained glass in those countries!!! so frustrating!! hopefully it will get solved one of these days. explain the
2:1 transformer...what is it? thanks, arlene Mike Firth wrote: [quote:68e4f00cb8]i STILL want a Hexacon...but haven't
had any luck finding one that works on 210-220 current. Buy the 2:1 transformer. [/quote:68e4f00cb8]

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Posted by Adrian Brentnall on Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:24 AM    Post subject: Re: where are my helpers??

HI Arlene On 7 Jun 2006 23:10:22 -0700, arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: [quote:58e2cf86e3]Hi Mike... what is this? i
don't seem to have much of a choice here...the only two irons on the market, as far as i can tell are the German models
and the Turkish knock-offs. There are two analog irons..one is a 60watt, the other an 80watt. [/quote:58e2cf86e3] Based
on my quick 'playing' with the temperature-controlled 100W Weller last night - avoid 'non-temp-controlled' irons unless
you really have no choice. [quote:58e2cf86e3] i STILL can't find a supplier outside Turkey that can give me electrical
stuff that works on our current! The folks in UK don't seem to be able to help me...their plugs are so strange...
[/quote:58e2cf86e3] Ahem ! _Our_ plugs are normal <g> - it's everybody else that uses strange ones <gg>
Seriously though - if the only problem you have with Irons (& other kit) from UK suppliers is the plug - why not do
what I've just done... Because I happened to have a 240 - 110V transformer (our UK mains is 240v), I now also have a
120V grinder (ebay) and a 120V Weller iron. Both of these pieces of kit come with 'strange' USA plugs - but they now
connect through one of those multi-way extension leads - with sockets that fit the USA plugs and the 'other end' wired
straight into the transformer. All you'd need is a UK-style extension lead - and then you could plug whatever UK-style
kit you wanted (within reason & taking account of the maximum current it'd handle) into your extension lead - while
the other end was wired into whatever they use in Turkey... If you went the 'transformer' route, then you might find
that (120V) kit like soldering irons bought from the USA worked out much cheaper than buying the 'same thing' in 240V
versions.... [quote:58e2cf86e3]are there NO SUPPLIERS in Italy, France, Spain, anywhere except UK??? they don't show
up on any searches i've been doing. this is crazy! there MUST be people doing stained glass in those countries!!! so
frustrating!! hopefully it will get solved one of these days. explain the 2:1 transformer...what is it?
[/quote:58e2cf86e3] Big, heavy lump of metal with windings on it. Conect it up correctly and you can put 240V into it
and get 120V out of it. Worth getting assistance if you're not 100% confident - because there are 'other' ways to
(mis)-connect it - one of which would give you about 480V output - which might cause your equipment some surprise!......
BTDT..... The bigger & heavier the transformer, the more power it can handle. Tiny ones are available for
travellers - but they're likely to be too small for your use. Mid-sized units will handle a soldering iron or two - or
an iron and a grinder. Not a kiln ! If you really wanted something powerful there are things (at least in the UK where
we have funny mains plugs <g>) called 'site transformers' - which are big yellow cubes intended for use on
building sites - where 110V tools are used for safety purposes. I can buy one of these new for about 50 UK pounds - and
this would probably run a small 110V kiln, - or lots and lots of soldering irons. Weighs a ton though - don't recommend
you try & get one via mail order! You could always modify an arc welder, of course. I'm reliabily informed that
having lots of heat while soldering is the only way to go - so a nice carbon arc - or mayble plasma....? ONLY JOKING !
Have fun Adrian Suffolk UK - (but only for a few more weeks !) ======return email munged================= take out the
papers and the trash to reply

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Posted by Anonymous on Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:42 PM    Post subject: Re: Finished the clock from April

Although I guess I will be making another clock, I would like some ideas that maybe I have not thought of. The original
reason for getting into stained glass again was to create some interesting additions to my woodworking hobby. I am into
Craftsman furniture (although I am not opposed to trying some other style). Any ideas for other projects that combine
wood and stained glass? Of course, a lamp is another idea. I have not considered that yet, but that is sure a
possibility. I have seen styrofoam forms that are used to shape the lampshades. Have any of you made your own forms?
How? Adrian Brentnall wrote: [quote:eb0ac2af07]Hi What's your next project ?? Regards Adrian Suffolk UK
======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to reply[/quote:eb0ac2af07]

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Posted by Adrian Brentnall on Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:31 PM    Post subject: Re: Finished the clock from April

Hi On 8 Jun 2006 04:42:59 -0700, eganders@yahoo.com wrote: [quote:0c3c769aaf]Although I guess I will be making another
clock, I would like some ideas that maybe I have not thought of. The original reason for getting into stained glass
again was to create some interesting additions to my woodworking hobby. I am into Craftsman furniture (although I am
not opposed to trying some other style). Any ideas for other projects that combine wood and stained glass? Of course,
a lamp is another idea. I have not considered that yet, but that is sure a possibility. I have seen styrofoam forms
that are used to shape the lampshades. Have any of you made your own forms? How? [/quote:0c3c769aaf] I must confess
that I don't really have the patience for complex 'tiffany-style' lampshades - not sure that I could find a market for
them, bearing in mind the time/cost involved. If you are handy with woodworking - how about a 'lantern' - use wood for
the framework and then make up four flat stained-glass panels for the four sides of the panel - might look quite nice...
You could 'borrow' a classical design - or start from scratch. Glass 'nuggets' work well (=grapes etc ?) Even include
some nice agate slabs, polished gemstones - or maybe seashells. You can build in anything that you can wrap foil
around.... Have fun ! Adrian [quote:0c3c769aaf] Adrian Brentnall wrote: Hi What's your next project ?? Regards
Adrian Suffolk UK ======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to reply
[/quote:0c3c769aaf] ======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to reply

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Posted by Javahut on Tue May 30, 2006 12:57 PM    Post subject: Re: Warning purchasing online from Stained Glass Wharehouse.

<dteckie@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1148988998.077321.57170@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[quote:8c9302d998]Just wanted to share my bad experience purchasing supplies from Stained Glass WhareHouse
http://store.allstainedglass.com/ . In the past I purchased a several items from them and had not encountered problems
till my last purchase. Ordered several supplies including the Table foiler. When I received the Table foiler, product
was defective and did not function at all. In fact the package looked as if it was previously opened, returened and
resealed, and resold. I highly suspect that someone actually was fortunate enough to return the item and was charged a
customary 15% restocking fee and they resold the item to me even though it was defective. The spring was so streched and
deformed that I suspect someone tried to fix it they cut the spring to half its size and destroyed it completely. I
tried calling customer service by phone several times . Calling their customer service was a frustratingly useless, all
I could get is the automated message "all our representatives are busy please stay on the line for next available
agent or leave a voicemail" waited for long periods of time, Left several voicemail messages but nobody returned
the call. Wrote several emails with no responses. frustrated ! as a last resort I wrote them my final email thretening
to report them to the Better Business Bureau which I did and post my experience to as many websites as possible.
Obviously that does not bother them since it seems they just do not care else they would have responded. I solved the
problem by calling the manufacturer and what an amazing diffrerence no questions asked they were kind enough to ship me
at no cost a new table foiler. Now that is customer service I have nothing but praises for the product . The product is
a great product and I love it but the retailer obvioulsy is just out for the money and needs lesson in how to treat
customers. They charge a restocking fee and resell a defective item , if you are fortunate enough to talk to their
customer service within allotted 10 days after purchase to get an RMA. Well as I said this is a warning based on my
experience and a few others that had similar experiences as I found out searching various websites. [/quote:8c9302d998]
DO you think you would have had the same treatment at a "brick and mortar" real deal retail store? I think
not. Once again, a reason to do business with your local, or one of the local stained glass retailers in your area. I
have a "storefront studio", that is to say, it is not in my home, but a place where I "go to work".
We do a pretty good business in a variety of stained glass areas, (beveled, stained, (as in painted), leaded, fused,
bent ) we do restoration and new work. and as often as I can, whenever I can, I buy my glass from a retail store near
me, in fact I split my business between 2 of them. I don't do big churches with lots of cases of glass of the same
color. But I may buy 10-15 sheets at a time in a variety of colors for several different jobs. IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR
ME TO SAVE A COUPLE OF DOLLARS, while their business may be marginal in this economy. Between the internet and the
imported crap, the retail store is struggling, everywhere, offer your support thru your sales dollar. I'm off my
soapbox now, GOOD MORNING ALL, it's Tuesday!!

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Posted by dteckie@yahoo.com on Wed May 31, 2006 11:49 AM    Post subject: Re: Warning purchasing online from Stained Glass Wharehouse.

Javahut wrote: [quote:0fcc92a10f]dteckie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148988998.077321.57170@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Just wanted to share my bad experience purchasing supplies
from Stained Glass WhareHouse http://store.allstainedglass.com/ . In the past I purchased a several items from them
and had not encountered problems till my last purchase. Ordered several supplies including the Table foiler. When I
received the Table foiler, product was defective and did not function at all. In fact the package looked as if it was
previously opened, returened and resealed, and resold. I highly suspect that someone actually was fortunate enough to
return the item and was charged a customary 15% restocking fee and they resold the item to me even though it was
defective. The spring was so streched and deformed that I suspect someone tried to fix it they cut the spring to half
its size and destroyed it completely. I tried calling customer service by phone several times . Calling their customer
service was a frustratingly useless, all I could get is the automated message "all our representatives are busy
please stay on the line for next available agent or leave a voicemail" waited for long periods of time, Left
several voicemail messages but nobody returned the call. Wrote several emails with no responses. frustrated ! as a last
resort I wrote them my final email thretening to report them to the Better Business Bureau which I did and post my
experience to as many websites as possible. Obviously that does not bother them since it seems they just do not care
else they would have responded. I solved the problem by calling the manufacturer and what an amazing diffrerence no
questions asked they were kind enough to ship me at no cost a new table foiler. Now that is customer service I have
nothing but praises for the product . The product is a great product and I love it but the retailer obvioulsy is just
out for the money and needs lesson in how to treat customers. They charge a restocking fee and resell a defective item ,
if you are fortunate enough to talk to their customer service within allotted 10 days after purchase to get an RMA. Well
as I said this is a warning based on my experience and a few others that had similar experiences as I found out
searching various websites. DO you think you would have had the same treatment at a "brick and mortar" real
deal retail store? I think not. Once again, a reason to do business with your local, or one of the local stained glass
retailers in your area. I have a "storefront studio", that is to say, it is not in my home, but a place where
I "go to work". We do a pretty good business in a variety of stained glass areas, (beveled, stained, (as in
painted), leaded, fused, bent ) we do restoration and new work. and as often as I can, whenever I can, I buy my glass
from a retail store near me, in fact I split my business between 2 of them. I don't do big churches with lots of cases
of glass of the same color. But I may buy 10-15 sheets at a time in a variety of colors for several different jobs. IT
MAKES NO SENSE FOR ME TO SAVE A COUPLE OF DOLLARS, while their business may be marginal in this economy. Between the
internet and the imported crap, the retail store is struggling, everywhere, offer your support thru your sales dollar.
I'm off my soapbox now, GOOD MORNING ALL, it's Tuesday!! [/quote:0fcc92a10f] I'm in total agreement with you in shop
locally and support local merchants . I'm only a hobbyist and make stained glass for myself and not as a business, and
when the nearest supplier is miles away ( approx 1.5 - 2 hrs) and it costs more to get there than the product you wish
to purchase it's a no brainer to shop online .

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Posted by Javahut on Wed May 31, 2006 2:24 PM    Post subject: Re: Warning purchasing online from Stained Glass Wharehouse.

<dteckie@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1149072562.021377.285120@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:34156a5878] Javahut wrote: dteckie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148988998.077321.57170@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Just wanted to share my bad experience purchasing supplies
from Stained Glass WhareHouse http://store.allstainedglass.com/ . In the past I purchased a several items from them
and had not encountered problems till my last purchase. Ordered several supplies including the Table foiler. When I
received the Table foiler, product was defective and did not function at all. In fact the package looked as if it was
previously opened, returened and resealed, and resold. I highly suspect that someone actually was fortunate enough to
return the item and was charged a customary 15% restocking fee and they resold the item to me even though it was
defective. The spring was so streched and deformed that I suspect someone tried to fix it they cut the spring to half
its size and destroyed it completely. I tried calling customer service by phone several times . Calling their customer
service was a frustratingly useless, all I could get is the automated message "all our representatives are busy
please stay on the line for next available agent or leave a voicemail" waited for long periods of time, Left
several voicemail messages but nobody returned the call. Wrote several emails with no responses. frustrated ! as a last
resort I wrote them my final email thretening to report them to the Better Business Bureau which I did and post my
experience to as many websites as possible. Obviously that does not bother them since it seems they just do not care
else they would have responded. I solved the problem by calling the manufacturer and what an amazing diffrerence no
questions asked they were kind enough to ship me at no cost a new table foiler. Now that is customer service I have
nothing but praises for the product . The product is a great product and I love it but the retailer obvioulsy is just
out for the money and needs lesson in how to treat customers. They charge a restocking fee and resell a defective item ,
if you are fortunate enough to talk to their customer service within allotted 10 days after purchase to get an RMA. Well
as I said this is a warning based on my experience and a few others that had similar experiences as I found out
searching various websites. DO you think you would have had the same treatment at a "brick and mortar" real
deal retail store? I think not. Once again, a reason to do business with your local, or one of the local stained glass
retailers in your area. I have a "storefront studio", that is to say, it is not in my home, but a place where
I "go to work". We do a pretty good business in a variety of stained glass areas, (beveled, stained, (as in
painted), leaded, fused, bent ) we do restoration and new work. and as often as I can, whenever I can, I buy my glass
from a retail store near me, in fact I split my business between 2 of them. I don't do big churches with lots of cases
of glass of the same color. But I may buy 10-15 sheets at a time in a variety of colors for several different jobs. IT
MAKES NO SENSE FOR ME TO SAVE A COUPLE OF DOLLARS, while their business may be marginal in this economy. Between the
internet and the imported crap, the retail store is struggling, everywhere, offer your support thru your sales dollar.
I'm off my soapbox now, GOOD MORNING ALL, it's Tuesday!! I'm in total agreement with you in shop locally and support
local merchants . I'm only a hobbyist and make stained glass for myself and not as a business, and when the nearest
supplier is miles away ( approx 1.5 - 2 hrs) and it costs more to get there than the product you wish to purchase it's
a no brainer to shop online . [/quote:34156a5878] Hey, just a thought, and I might be reaching a little as some
retailers don't, ask them if they ship? All of the retailers near me do, they are all an hour away from me, and if I
need "one of those" they will send it, mail or UPS. Just a thought, but worth asking them....

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Posted by Anonymous on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:39 AM    Post subject: Re: Warning purchasing online from Stained Glass Wharehouse.

I have a lot of customers that live maybe an hour or two away. They'll either call me or send me an email if they need
something and I'll send it right out. Andy Javahut wrote: [quote:2598f0b45a]dteckie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1149072562.021377.285120@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... Javahut wrote: dteckie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1148988998.077321.57170@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Just wanted to share my bad experience purchasing supplies
from Stained Glass WhareHouse http://store.allstainedglass.com/ . In the past I purchased a several items from them
and had not encountered problems till my last purchase. Ordered several supplies including the Table foiler. When I
received the Table foiler, product was defective and did not function at all. In fact the package looked as if it was
previously opened, returened and resealed, and resold. I highly suspect that someone actually was fortunate enough to
return the item and was charged a customary 15% restocking fee and they resold the item to me even though it was
defective. The spring was so streched and deformed that I suspect someone tried to fix it they cut the spring to half
its size and destroyed it completely. I tried calling customer service by phone several times . Calling their customer
service was a frustratingly useless, all I could get is the automated message "all our representatives are busy
please stay on the line for next available agent or leave a voicemail" waited for long periods of time, Left
several voicemail messages but nobody returned the call. Wrote several emails with no responses. frustrated ! as a last
resort I wrote them my final email thretening to report them to the Better Business Bureau which I did and post my
experience to as many websites as possible. Obviously that does not bother them since it seems they just do not care
else they would have responded. I solved the problem by calling the manufacturer and what an amazing diffrerence no
questions asked they were kind enough to ship me at no cost a new table foiler. Now that is customer service I have
nothing but praises for the product . The product is a great product and I love it but the retailer obvioulsy is just
out for the money and needs lesson in how to treat customers. They charge a restocking fee and resell a defective item ,
if you are fortunate enough to talk to their customer service within allotted 10 days after purchase to get an RMA. Well
as I said this is a warning based on my experience and a few others that had similar experiences as I found out
searching various websites. DO you think you would have had the same treatment at a "brick and mortar" real
deal retail store? I think not. Once again, a reason to do business with your local, or one of the local stained glass
retailers in your area. I have a "storefront studio", that is to say, it is not in my home, but a place where
I "go to work". We do a pretty good business in a variety of stained glass areas, (beveled, stained, (as in
painted), leaded, fused, bent ) we do restoration and new work. and as often as I can, whenever I can, I buy my glass
from a retail store near me, in fact I split my business between 2 of them. I don't do big churches with lots of cases
of glass of the same color. But I may buy 10-15 sheets at a time in a variety of colors for several different jobs. IT
MAKES NO SENSE FOR ME TO SAVE A COUPLE OF DOLLARS, while their business may be marginal in this economy. Between the
internet and the imported crap, the retail store is struggling, everywhere, offer your support thru your sales dollar.
I'm off my soapbox now, GOOD MORNING ALL, it's Tuesday!! I'm in total agreement with you in shop locally and support
local merchants . I'm only a hobbyist and make stained glass for myself and not as a business, and when the nearest
supplier is miles away ( approx 1.5 - 2 hrs) and it costs more to get there than the product you wish to purchase it's
a no brainer to shop online . Hey, just a thought, and I might be reaching a little as some retailers don't, ask them
if they ship? All of the retailers near me do, they are all an hour away from me, and if I need "one of
those" they will send it, mail or UPS. Just a thought, but worth asking them....[/quote:2598f0b45a]

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Posted by Moonraker on Sun May 21, 2006 3:29 PM    Post subject: Re: protective liquid

"moh3en" <yavarizadeh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148189594.375908.204400@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... [quote:e27be116e4]have any of you heard about or have you
tried any of the protective liquid for glasses while they are stored? [/quote:e27be116e4] Why would this be of ANY
importance to a stained glass artist?

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Posted by Mike Firth on Mon May 22, 2006 4:22 PM    Post subject: Re: protective liquid

Read previous threads about stain on glass causing problems and white surface damage on glass. Or do you buy your
stained glass in small quantities or always store it at room temperature (never in garage or unheated workshop)? --
Mike Firth Furnace Glassblowing Website http://users.ticnet.com/mikefirth/ "Moonraker"
<moonraker@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in message news:5Q_bg.22715$qd2.1544@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
[quote:845d3f5860] "moh3en" <yavarizadeh@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1148189594.375908.204400@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... have any of you heard about or have you tried any of the
protective liquid for glasses while they are stored? Why would this be of ANY importance to a stained glass artist?
[/quote:845d3f5860]

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri May 12, 2006 10:42 PM    Post subject: Re: oil fed cutters

arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: [quote:893bafab75]Hi and thanks...everyone. for the record, i NEVER DID use a cheap
cutter. I always had an expensive brass barrel oil cutter...probably toyo...i'm not sure but that sounds familiar. i
don't even remember width differences...but that may be because no one told me that there was such a thing. so, it seems
to me that i need to have BOTH heads...i'll check to see if either have carbide wheels. wheels are replaceable, right?
thanks all, arlene [/quote:893bafab75] No need to have two cutter heads - just a small wheel one. A small wheel cutter
can also also be used for straight cuts or fairly thick glass (we've cut 1/2" with ours) but a large wheel cutter
is too difficult to go around tight curves for most stained glass use.

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri May 12, 2006 11:40 PM    Post subject: Re: oil fed cutters

dennis@debrady.com wrote: [quote:3cc67e058f]No need to have two cutter heads - just a small wheel one. A small wheel
cutter can also also be used for straight cuts or fairly thick glass (we've cut 1/2" with ours) but a large wheel
cutter is too difficult to go around tight curves for most stained glass use. [/quote:3cc67e058f] You can cut any size
curve with the large heads unless you're using templates to score against.

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Posted by Lauri Levanto on Sat May 13, 2006 4:42 AM    Post subject: Re: oil fed cutters

arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: [quote:7aebaa9442]hi lauri, hey, at the rate i'm losing my English, you won't be alone!!
i am not 100% sure of what i mean..i'm going to have to order one of each and try to figure it out!! honestly, this was
NEVER an issue 20 years ago.. thanks, arlene My humble opinion is[/quote:7aebaa9442] that the most important eature
of a cutter is the grip. You can do anything with a cutter if it fits well in your hand and you get used to it. Some
stained glass artist use a pistol grip, I feel it difficult, I prefer a pencil like shaft. -lauri

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Posted by Anonymous on Fri May 12, 2006 8:51 AM    Post subject: attaching panels to existing windows

My new studio isn't even open yet but last night someone came here to measure for the new studio door and when he
learned what I'm planning to do here, he was surprised. Apparently, earlier in the day, one of his customers asked about
a big stained glass panel 40" x 28" to go into his new PVC (? is that what it's called? ... like Anderson
Window frame stuff) window on a stair landing in his summer house. How would you go about fastening a glass panel on
the inside of an existing PVC window? I don't think that clear sillicon is the right way to go...what do you think?
thanks, Arlene

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Posted by Javahut on Fri May 12, 2006 4:06 PM    Post subject: Re: attaching panels to existing windows

<arlene.carol@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147420281.142337.260830@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:ddefe9e61e]My new studio isn't even open yet but last night someone came here to measure for the new studio door
and when he learned what I'm planning to do here, he was surprised. Apparently, earlier in the day, one of his customers
asked about a big stained glass panel 40" x 28" to go into his new PVC (? is that what it's called? ... like
Anderson Window frame stuff) window on a stair landing in his summer house. How would you go about fastening a glass
panel on the inside of an existing PVC window? I don't think that clear sillicon is the right way to go...what do you
think? Your in Turkey?[/quote:ddefe9e61e] Vinyl window? Thermal insulated window or single pane? Clear Silicon is
NEVER the way to go, it yellows badly over time and is very unsightly, and not much of an adhesive, if that is what you
want it to do. Need more information to answer your questions, but in general, you mount your leaded unit the same way
the existing window is mounted, if it is a single pane panel, good use a "Y " zinc on the edge and build the
panel same size as existing window, thin edge of the "Y" will fit in the place of the DS glass of window
frame. IF it is a Thermal insulated glass panel, then more thought needs to happen, and your installation methods will
be different, depending on if you install inside the thermal or outside.

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Posted by Adrian Brentnall on Fri May 12, 2006 4:47 PM    Post subject: Re: attaching panels to existing windows

HI Both On Fri, 12 May 2006 11:06:38 -0400, "Javahut" <notnow@nowhere.net> wrote: [quote:05d7fc72e7]
arlene.carol@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1147420281.142337.260830@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... My new studio
isn't even open yet but last night someone came here to measure for the new studio door and when he learned what I'm
planning to do here, he was surprised. Apparently, earlier in the day, one of his customers asked about a big stained
glass panel 40" x 28" to go into his new PVC (? is that what it's called? ... like Anderson Window frame
stuff) window on a stair landing in his summer house. How would you go about fastening a glass panel on the inside of
an existing PVC window? I don't think that clear sillicon is the right way to go...what do you think? Your in Turkey?
Vinyl window? Thermal insulated window or single pane? Clear Silicon is NEVER the way to go, it yellows badly over time
and is very unsightly, and not much of an adhesive, if that is what you want it to do. Need more information to answer
your questions, but in general, you mount your leaded unit the same way the existing window is mounted, if it is a
single pane panel, good use a "Y " zinc on the edge and build the panel same size as existing window, thin
edge of the "Y" will fit in the place of the DS glass of window frame. IF it is a Thermal insulated glass
panel, then more thought needs to happen, and your installation methods will be different, depending on if you install
inside the thermal or outside. I think I've heard of people building stained-glass panels that are[/quote:05d7fc72e7]
then 'built into' conventional double-glazed units - so you end up with a sandwich of 'clear float glass / stained glass
/ clear float glass'. Somebody was asking me about making some of those the other day - I guess you'd need to be very
sure that you'd got the lead or solder in the stained glass prefectly clean - 'cos if it went grubby once it was in the
'sandwich' then there's nothing you could do about it.... Maybe it's different by countries / climates. Over here in
the UK, double-glazing is very common - and there are lots of manufacturers.. Don't know about Turkey... Did some
little panels that fitted inside a wooden frame - very easy - just edged the whole lot in brass 'u' section, and then
soldered copper wire loops to the brass. Tiny screws through the loops into the wooden window-frame - job done
<g>. Regards Adrian Suffolk UK ======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to
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Posted by Adrian Brentnall on Fri May 12, 2006 8:51 PM    Post subject: Re: attaching panels to existing windows

HI Arlene On 12 May 2006 12:23:51 -0700, arlene.carol@gmail.com wrote: [quote:df70488770]Hi Adrian We do have double-
glazed windows in Turkey...but I really don't like them personally in my stone village house...they just look wrong
here...but not everyone has an old restored stone house..!!! so i'm going to check into this possibility of sandwiching
the panel between two clear panes of glass. [/quote:df70488770] If you don't need the double-glazing for thermal reasons
then I don't see that there's any reason why you could not just mount your stained-glass panel inside the fixed glass.
I've seen little perspex clips that can be fixed to the window-frame to secure the stained glass, they're known as
'f-clips' I think .... [quote:df70488770] i was reading that a finished panel should be soaked in a bath of water and
detergent for at least 24 hours to remove any residue of flux... [/quote:df70488770] That sounds like a plan...
[quote:df70488770] years ago the way i'd clean my glass panels was with lemon oil...it seemed to 'neutralize' the flux
and patina...to my knowledge, it never developed a white powder. [/quote:df70488770] I find that dishwashing liquid and
a good scrub with fine wire wool seems to do the trick... <g> [quote:df70488770] we don't have lemon oil here...so
i'll have to resort to the bath method... thanks for the tips...i know about the wooden frames...my carpenter friend
will make them for me if needed. and i'm going to hunt around for some brass U channel. i haven't seen them listed in
my supplier's catalogue ... The stuff I use is about 4mm square. (Tempsford do it).[/quote:df70488770] Just don't
solder the seams right to the edge - then add flux to the brass channel after wire-wooling it, and solder the channel to
the seams. Now just run a bead along the brass and you're done. I suppose that if you really wanted to you could add
some kind of adhesive (?epoxy) inside the channel, but I've not found it necessary. Hope this helps Adrian ======return
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Posted by FlameNwind on Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:59 PM    Post subject: Kiln arrived: Is this damage?

Hi, all! The kiln I ordered has arrived and was I ever excited! After digging through a small mountain of peanuts, I
finally was able to haul it out of the carton. Now mind you, I am at present a hobbyist in stained glass and a total
novice to warm glass. So what I purchased was a small 120v fusing/annealing octagon kiln with pyrometer and infinite
heat controller. Internally it measures 11.25" diameter and 4.5" deep. Anyway, upon opening her up and
amidst the pinholes, indentations and knotholes that make up most kiln bricks, I discovered a hole 3/4" deep and
about 1/2" in diameter that also burrows in behind the face of the brick about 5/16" in two directions. I
contacted the vendor who assured me that this is typical in kiln bricks and will not cause me any issue. My personal
experience, which is limited, says that the hole is significantly larger than "business as usual." You can
see what I am talking about in these photos (assuming this link works.)
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/flamenwind/slideshow?.dir=/ef85scd&.src=ph Oh yes...one of the photos is of the
broken kiln shelf that was packed with the kiln. The point is that I just want to play...now! So my questions to you
are whether this is indeed typical in kiln bricks; would you return the kiln, repair the hole, or just use the kiln as
it is; would you expect any trouble down the line due to a hole of this size; or, finally, am I just showing my
ignorance? Thanks in advance for any thoughts! Lori

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Posted by Javahut on Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:30 PM    Post subject: Re: Kiln arrived: Is this damage?

"FlameNwind" <goldengoodies.ap@verizon.net> wrote in message news:qZq4g.1628$O_6.805@trnddc08...
[quote:5d0cd9daac]Hi, all! The kiln I ordered has arrived and was I ever excited! After digging through a small
mountain of peanuts, I finally was able to haul it out of the carton. Now mind you, I am at present a hobbyist in
stained glass and a total novice to warm glass. So what I purchased was a small 120v fusing/annealing octagon kiln with
pyrometer and infinite heat controller. Internally it measures 11.25" diameter and 4.5" deep. Anyway, upon
opening her up and amidst the pinholes, indentations and knotholes that make up most kiln bricks, I discovered a hole
3/4" deep and about 1/2" in diameter that also burrows in behind the face of the brick about 5/16" in
two directions. I contacted the vendor who assured me that this is typical in kiln bricks and will not cause me any
issue. My personal experience, which is limited, says that the hole is significantly larger than "business as
usual." You can see what I am talking about in these photos (assuming this link works.)
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/flamenwind/slideshow?.dir=/ef85scd&.src=ph Oh yes...one of the photos is of the
broken kiln shelf that was packed with the kiln. The point is that I just want to play...now! So my questions to you
are whether this is indeed typical in kiln bricks; would you return the kiln, repair the hole, or just use the kiln as
it is; would you expect any trouble down the line due to a hole of this size; or, finally, am I just showing my
ignorance? Thanks in advance for any thoughts! Lori My opinion, that is an air hole in the making of the brick, maybe
the[/quote:5d0cd9daac] builder shouldn't have used it, but it doesn't do much, good or bad. IF you fill it with
something, you risk that something falling in your project. Leave it alone, it will make no difference in the heating or
cooling of the kiln, and nothing will fall in your "stuff". The shelf, call the idiots up and remind them
that the shippers are not as careful as the builders, or the artist, then call the shipper and mak