View entire thread: OT: The Sexual Facism Cretins
Posted by ellice on Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:16 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: The Sexual Facism Cretins



On 10/27/06 7:07 PM, "Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote: [quote:e4516b8e47]I started a different OT
thread because I couldn't figure out how to NOT post to all of the weirdo ngs the BoobandClairol idiot posts to. Anyway,
his supportive references look just a teensy bit biased to MOI, at least from the names ot them. One is the Baptist
Press. Now, I don't want all the Baptists here getting pissed off at MOI but, face it, *any* special interest group, be
it religious or political or scientific, etc. is going to have a bit of a biased attitude in it's reporting of study
results. I'm NOT picking on Baptists, just saying that almost ALL study results are a bit suspect. The fact that a
fundamental religious group like the Baptists say that their study results prove that homosexuals are more likely to
molest boys just doesn't hold as much water as if, say a not so biased study done by the AMA (who is likely biased in
other areas but not necessarily homosexuality) had the same results (which I am sure they would NOT find). I dunno -- me
thinks the narrow minded, bigoted cretins are, well, narrow minded and most likely not in possession of a broad or well
rounded educated!! CiaoMeow >^;;^ [/quote:e4516b8e47] Well said, although educated people can still be narrowminded
- there are still some bastions of "higher" education run by certain narrowly focused religious groups. There
are a few of those schools within an hour of this part of northern VA - most recently one fired a professor for having
the kids read literature that addressed other than the strict southern Baptist point of view. The school apparently
became very rigid in what was allowed - in classes, out of classes, etc and there was a lengthy article in the Wash Post
about it - controversy even with the parents so some students actually withdrew saying they weren't getting the
education they expected (regardless of having assumed strict behavioural codes). Sometimes a bigot is just a bigot -
whether about race or religion or sexual preferences or lifestyle. This is a big thing right now in VA, as there is an
amendment at the election - called "the marriage amendment" which will define marriage as only between a man
and a woman. The real issue, however, is that buried in the lengthy text - there is language which prevents any kind of
domestic partnership from enjoying legal protections - as in the right to make decisions for your partner if they are
incapacitated, property rights, insurance, etc. So, regardless of homophobia - the truly ultra-conservative have folded
this into a potential law which many people won't realize. Pretty sad. DH & I are working as election officers
this year - it was very interesting training - really. Especially as we're in a more rural county than we used to be -
we almost lost it when one of the guys asked "what about the furriners?" when talking about looking for names
that may be listed in reverse order by accident. Another guy shouts out "if they're furriners then they caint vote
nohow" . Ah, yes - we then understood why the county regsistrar was so thrilled with some more volunteers - she
was really nice, and told us they'd be happy to have some "youngsters" (us) at the polls. Anyhow - I said my
piece to the B&C idiot a while ago. There's no point wasting electrons addressing them - IMHO. ellice
[quote:e4516b8e47] PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but
nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary[/quote:e4516b8e47]

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View entire thread: Please wish me luck
Posted by J M on Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:19 PM    Post subject: Re: Please wish me luck

Thanks for all the good wishes folks.....Things are still problematic and up in the air for Saturday....the landlord
has decided to go on holiday and they haven't completed THEIR work on the building.....arrgh. We only have next week
in which to get a ceiling up, upstairs floor laid, water and loo facilities installed, walls knocked down, guttering
fixed and a complete whitewash - thats our work before we can make ready for the studio and pottery. They still have
to install doors and windows (and have been told that wont happen for another 4 weeks) and the water wont be connected
for another 10 days!!! Our solicitor is pulling his hair out. I suppose these delays are indicative of the kind of
lifestyle we're moving down there for - it's just that us folk in the 'rat race' aren't used to it. Eddie - are you
located in Cornwall or do you go there for your holidays? I'll write again on Friday! Love JM

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View entire thread: OT: Cheney on Meet the Press
Posted by Michael A. Terrell on Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:22 AM    Post subject: Re: Cheney on Meet the Press

Norm De Plume wrote: [quote:2588bebee9] Michael A. Terrell wrote: Norm De Plume wrote: I even have the video of you
leaving a dead cat at my doorstep. More importantly, the judge has seen it. You killed MIttens in the most horrible
way possible, as the DNA evidence proved. Judge Judy, Judge Alex, or another of your imaginary freinds? According to a
DNS lookup, you are in Phoenix, Arizona. I've come to accept that you'll never stop stalking me. If you are going to
tell lies, they have to be believable or you end up sitting there with shit on your face. That is if, you want people
to believe the tales. How about "Tolerate you just barely enough not to want to twist your head off and toss you
into the plonk bucket? Just remember to heed the safety word this time, dear. Safety? You click it off before you
squeeze the trigger. Don't you know anything about weapons? You're only pretending to not know about safety words, yet
you use them every night of the week with countless anonymous partners. Yawn, another ignorant lie. Don't project your
pathetic lifestyle on me. Do whatever you want with your life. You think the whole world is as useless as you are.
Dear? Shirley you jest. I don't jest, and don't call me "Shirley." (another movie reference?) The last guy
that called me that to may face came within inches of dying at 16. Actually, you called me "Shirley." Can't
you comprehend your own writing? You always liked them young. No, I was followed up into the catwalks above the
auditorium by some queer. He started to reach for my crotch and I told him if he touched me, I was going to shove him
off the catwalk. It was over 65 feet to the floor, through a layer of steel mesh and a stucco ceiling, and he would
have landed on some very sturdy theater seats. That's not just a queer but a predator or rapist. Big difference. In
junior high, when I was in a restroom stall, someone in the next stall grabbed my ankle, So I pulled his hand up and
hit it against the toilet paper dispenser several times and kicked stomped his elbow. He turned out to be the
custodian. [/quote:2588bebee9] Yawn. What boring tripe. Your trolling permit is about to be revoked for the low
grade of your posts. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of
DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida

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View entire thread: OT: Cheney on Meet the Press
Posted by Norm De Plume on Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:53 AM    Post subject: Re: Cheney on Meet the Press

Michael A. Terrell wrote: [quote:7f101b037c]Norm De Plume wrote: I even have the video of you leaving a dead cat at my
doorstep. More importantly, the judge has seen it. [/quote:7f101b037c] You killed MIttens in the most horrible way
possible, as the DNA evidence proved. [quote:7f101b037c]Judge Judy, Judge Alex, or another of your imaginary freinds?
According to a DNS lookup, you are in Phoenix, Arizona. [/quote:7f101b037c] I've come to accept that you'll never stop
stalking me. [quote:7f101b037c]If you are going to tell lies, they have to be believable or you end up sitting there
with shit on your face. [/quote:7f101b037c] That is if, you want people to believe the tales. [quote:7f101b037c]How
about "Tolerate you just barely enough not to want to twist your head off and toss you into the plonk bucket? Just
remember to heed the safety word this time, dear. Safety? You click it off before you squeeze the trigger. Don't you
know anything about weapons? You're only pretending to not know about safety words, yet you use them every night of the
week with countless anonymous partners. Yawn, another ignorant lie. Don't project your pathetic lifestyle on me. Do
whatever you want with your life. You think the whole world is as useless as you are. Dear? Shirley you jest. I don't
jest, and don't call me "Shirley." (another movie reference?) The last guy that called me that to may face
came within inches of dying at 16. [/quote:7f101b037c] Actually, you called me "Shirley." Can't you
comprehend your own writing? [quote:7f101b037c]You always liked them young. No, I was followed up into the catwalks
above the auditorium by some queer. He started to reach for my crotch and I told him if he touched me, I was going to
shove him off the catwalk. It was over 65 feet to the floor, through a layer of steel mesh and a stucco ceiling, and he
would have landed on some very sturdy theater seats. [/quote:7f101b037c] That's not just a queer but a predator or
rapist. Big difference. In junior high, when I was in a restroom stall, someone in the next stall grabbed my ankle,
So I pulled his hand up and hit it against the toilet paper dispenser several times and kicked stomped his elbow. He
turned out to be the custodian.

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View entire thread: OT: Cheney on Meet the Press
Posted by Michael A. Terrell on Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:18 PM    Post subject: Re: Cheney on Meet the Press

Norm De Plume wrote: [quote:fa6cc5ad3a] Michael A. Terrell wrote: Norm De Plume wrote: Don't you mean Abbie Normal? An
even more brilliant pun from the stalker. Stalker? You really do have to fire that useless comedy writer boyfriend of
yours. He left after learning that you were deeply in love with me. Love? Man you MUST be desperate for attention.
You're forgetting that it was my restraining order against you and not the other way around. Yawn, what a feeble liar.
I even have the video of you leaving a dead cat at my doorstep. More importantly, the judge has seen it. Judge Judy,
Judge Alex, or another of your imaginary freinds? According to a DNS lookup, you are in Phoenix, Arizona. I have never
visited that part of the country. [/quote:fa6cc5ad3a] If you are going to tell lies, they have to be believable or
you end up sitting there with shit on your face. [quote:fa6cc5ad3a] How about "Tolerate you just barely enough
not to want to twist your head off and toss you into the plonk bucket? Just remember to heed the safety word this time,
dear. Safety? You click it off before you squeeze the trigger. Don't you know anything about weapons? You're only
pretending to not know about safety words, yet you use them every night of the week with countless anonymous partners.
[/quote:fa6cc5ad3a] Yawn, another ignorant lie. Don't project your pathetic lifestyle on me. Do whatever you want
with your life. You think the whole world is as useless as you are. [quote:fa6cc5ad3a]Dear? Shirley you jest. I
don't jest, and don't call me "Shirley." (another movie reference?) The last guy that called me that to may
face came within inches of dying at 16. You always liked them young. [/quote:fa6cc5ad3a] No, I was followed up into
the catwalks above the auditorium by some queer. He started to reach for my crotch and I told him if he touched me, I
was going to shove him off the catwalk. It was over 65 feet to the floor, through a layer of steel mesh and a stucco
ceiling, and he would have landed on some very sturdy theater seats. [quote:fa6cc5ad3a]Do you even have an idea where
"Abbie Normal" comes from? Was it because Igor (pronounced "eye gore") dropped the brain of that
late scientist and saint, Dr. Hans Delbruck? What else do you expect out of an illiterate hunchback? The next time you
want a reference to pass over someone's head so you can feel clever, pick a movie that's not so popular.
http://imdb.com Big deal. That's a good web site, but I saw the movie in a threatre when it premiered.
[/quote:fa6cc5ad3a] I saw American Graffiti when it came out. I was in the front row of the base theater at Ft
Greely Alaska at the time. The scene here they use the steel cable to pull the rear end out from under the cruiser was
great. You could see the individual needle bearings slowly spiraling in an arc of the screen. [quote:fa6cc5ad3a]
You're just jealous that they didn't hire you to play the hunchback in heels. Of course, it would have been type
casting. You would have dropped the "Good" brain when you discover a snag in your fishnets. Very weak and
overly drawn out, typical of someone who's been abusing amyl nitrate for years and years. [/quote:fa6cc5ad3a] I'll
have to take your word for that. Its amazing that you can still use a computer after so many years of abusing your
body. I hope they paid you well for it. I've never used any drugs other than for high blood pressure and type 2
diabetes. You can keep making a fool of yourself if you want, but you are getting quite boring. If your trolling
doesn't improve, you'll lose you "Skippy" status and I'll have to kill file you. Your lies are so boring I
can barely keep my eyes open to reply, and that just ain't right, boy. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done
that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida

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View entire thread: [OT] Hezbollah Didn't Win -- Arab writers are beginning to l
Posted by F. George McDuffee on Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:38 PM    Post subject: Re: Hezbollah won

On 29 Aug 2006 20:49:52 -0700, "Peter" <peter_d_wiley@hotmail.com> wrote: [quote:41a97e90b8]As for
sheer numbers, give me a break. We are at or just under/over ZPG. Depending on the year. That isn't a real problem. Try
sending 10,000,000 young adults against fortified positions and you'll get 10,000,000 corpses. The Iranians tried it
against Iraq and where did they get to? Sending 14 & 15 y/o kids off to clear minefields by foot.
============[/quote:41a97e90b8] We would do well to remember that the Iranians were not facing geriatric shock troops
but rather Saadam's elite highly motivated Republican Guards units, commanded by his best and most ruthless officers,
trained in Soviet military doctrine that stresses "mass deployment," and equipped/armed with the latest non-
nuclear technology including chemical weapons / nerve gas. Never the less, in several cases the assaults *WERE*
successful, albeit in areas not of decisive tactical importance, and in others were contained, but just barely, at the
cost of decimated Republican Guards units. Unless you have a "Churchill" (who comes alonge once in a 1,000
years) the old don't have the stomach for the job. It is an old adage but an accurate one that "God fights on the
side of the big battalions." ...................... BEYOND BABIES? Tue Aug 29, 8:05 PM ET What lies "beyond
babies"? That's the question Newsweek raises in its latest cover story on the looming depopulation crisis in
Europe and Asia. But Newsweek (I kid you not) says it means "good things for restaurants and real estate":
"Powerful social and religious taboos (in Greece) labeled childless women as barren spinsters, and cast suspicion
on the sexual preferences of single, middle-aged men. No longer. In the space of a generation, that tight social corset
has largely vanished, thanks to an array of factors, including better education and job options for women and Greece's
entry into the cultural mainstream of the European Union. The result: a marriage rate below the EU average, and a
birthrate among the world's lowest, at 1.3 per woman." So Newsweek tries to stuff perhaps the biggest story of our
time -- the sudden collapse of childbearing to below-replacement levels in virtually every free, democratic and affluent
nation on this Earth -- into a happy tale of a new generation's lifestyle liberation from that old ugly "social
corset" of marriage and family. In Japan, says Newsweek, 56 percent of 30-year-old women are still childless, up
from just 24 percent as recently as 1985. About a quarter of German and Italian women appear headed for childlessness.
It takes just under 2.1 children per woman to replace population. As European demographer Francesco Billari has
explained, at the European average of 1.5 children per woman, the population will be cut in half every 65 years. At a
birthrate of 1.3 children per woman, (think Austria, Italy, Spain, as well as Greece and Japan), the population will be
cut in half every 32 years. <snip> for rest of article see
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucmg/20060830/cm_ucmg/beyondbabies Unka George (George McDuffee) =============================
When you give power to an executive you do not know who will be filling that position when the time of crisis comes.
Ernest Hemingway (1899-1961), U.S. author. "Notes on the Next War: A Serious Topical Letter," in Esquire
(New York, Sept. 1935; repr. in By-Line Ernest Hemingway, ed. by William White, 1967).

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View entire thread: OT - Costly drugs force life-death decisions
Posted by Anonymous on Tue Aug 15, 2006 3:02 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - Costly drugs force life-death decisions

On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:15:21 -0400, "fudge" <fudgeREMOVECRAP@nrtco.net> wrote: [quote:401d33bedf]My
life is precious. I will spend whatever resources I possess to get one more minute of life or one more breath of air.
You cannot take it with you. I have purposely accumulated sufficient synthetic paper "wealth" in order to buy
more time. I will use this wealth to buy treatment when needed. I feel hope in modern biotechnology that some day all of
the major diseases will be conquered. In the interim, one can make use of modern day medicine and a good clean living
lifestyle in order to stay heathy longer. I will eagerly embrace any new technology that will prolong my life or
increase my enjoyment of same. I want to live forever. Farmer John [/quote:401d33bedf] Sad. Here, take some of my
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View entire thread: OT - Costly drugs force life-death decisions
Posted by fudge on Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:15 PM    Post subject: Re: OT - Costly drugs force life-death decisions

My life is precious. I will spend whatever resources I possess to get one more minute of life or one more breath of
air. You cannot take it with you. I have purposely accumulated sufficient synthetic paper "wealth" in order
to buy more time. I will use this wealth to buy treatment when needed. I feel hope in modern biotechnology that some
day all of the major diseases will be conquered. In the interim, one can make use of modern day medicine and a good
clean living lifestyle in order to stay heathy longer. I will eagerly embrace any new technology that will prolong my
life or increase my enjoyment of same. I want to live forever. Farmer John

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View entire thread: OT - The "Mystery" of Low Wage Growth
Posted by Hawke on Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:00 PM    Post subject: Re: OT - The "Mystery" of Low Wage Growth

[quote:4ffd63f5f7]YES!!! It's those nasty businesses fault! They have no right to make profit...I know, we'll
nationalize them and pay the workers a lot more...Yea, yea THAT'LL work!!! It's all Bush's fault, he didn't fill in the
huge hole that Clinton dug...and he killed Kenny, you bastard! Boy, I thought you could read a lot better than that. I
guess not. I said it was the policies of the Bush administration that are causing a lot of the problems of the working
class. Where did you get the business is at fault part? You must have been thinking that before you even finished
reading my post because your reply really has nothing to do with what I wrote. Nobody said business isn't entitled to a
profit. The point is that the workers are seeing declines in wages and lifestyle. There is a reason. The Bush
administration isn't helping them at all. It is pro business and is doing all it can to promote business. It's as simple
as that. Who is getting the help workers or businesses? Obviously, it's not the workers who are getting any breaks. But
what do you expect from a republican administration, a champion of the working class? Hawke [/quote:4ffd63f5f7]
[quote:4ffd63f5f7]What breaks are the workers supposed to get? [/quote:4ffd63f5f7] Maybe the same kind that the
employers do. The Japanese have known this for a long time. The workers matter to the success of a company and they
treat them well. They pay them well and don't pay their bosses 500 times as much as the worker. Obviously you are not a
worker, because if you were you would know what kind of breaks they need and want. Try asking someone who works for you
what they need to have a better life. It might be worth it to your bottom line. How about tax cuts? Don't you know
that people making less than 50K a year didn't get anything in the way of tax cuts? When you add up the increased state,
property, sales taxes, and fee increases they actually got an increase in taxes. How about a paycheck? You act like
that is some kind of a gift they should be grateful for. In reality you purchased their labor from them. They deserve
the same as you, to get paid as much as the market will bear, but this country does all it can to ensure that they get
paid as little as possible and get hardly any time off. We have a long history of screwing workers here. If we hadn't we
never would have had unions in the first place, we wouldn't have needed them if employers weren't such shits. Union
workers demands have closed down HOW MANY companies? -or [quote:4ffd63f5f7]driven the jobs over seas.
[/quote:4ffd63f5f7] Answer, none! What fantasies you believe in. Less than 15% of Americans are in any kind of union and
most of them are in service unions. Companies have closed down and gone overseas because they can pay workers pennies
per hour of work and have no environmental concerns about polluting. Which makes them more profits than employing
Americans to do the same jobs. Talk about disloyal and unpatriotic Americans, those employers who went overseas and
fired all their American workers are the worst kind of pigs. American workers aren't always competitive in a
[quote:4ffd63f5f7]global market. In a global sense, American workers are WAY over paid! [/quote:4ffd63f5f7] In a global
sense so are all Americans, yourself included. If you use that scale all workers should get paid under a dollar an hour
and people like you should get paid like a supervisor at a Chinese factory. [quote:4ffd63f5f7]What's your solution?
Protectionism? OK with me! And just where are the huge benefits for companies? [/quote:4ffd63f5f7] I told you already,
if you don't have a big business don't expect any help from the Bush administration. If you aren't contributing big
donations to the republican party don't expect any benefits. You want to see things improve? First thing you do is
replace the republicans who are in power. They are helping no one except the big fish. Or haven't you noticed? You get
rid of Democrats like Joe Lieberman too because he's no different than the republicans. I WANT MY HUGE COMPANY
BENEFITS!!! I still [quote:4ffd63f5f7]say you killed kenny, you bastard! [/quote:4ffd63f5f7] If you want the benefits
then you have to make your company HUGE! No help for the little folks, and that means you. And Kenny went down because
of stress and genes. Lucky for him too because otherwise it was a long stretch in the big house. Hawke

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View entire thread: OT - The "Mystery" of Low Wage Growth
Posted by Tom Gardner on Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:23 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - The "Mystery" of Low Wage Growth

"Hawke" <desmithe@c-zone.net> wrote in message news:12dg43r2dsmp57a@corp.supernews.com...
[quote:e05e4896f6] "Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote in message
news:mmNBg.1908$1f6.537@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... "Hawke" <desmithe@c-zone.net> wrote in message
news:12dev63aoavv2a2@corp.supernews.com... "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1154965938.144979.226410@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... The Mystery of Low Wage Growth By Michael Mandel Mon Aug 7
Perhaps the oddest and most depressing fact about the U.S. economy these days is the lack of real wage growth. The
unemployment rate has been below 5% since December, and productivity growth is still looking strong. Yet wages and
salaries, adjusted for inflation, are down for virtually every broad occupational category. According to the latest
numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average hourly earnings for production and nonsupervisory workers are up by
3.8% over the past year. That may sound halfway decent, but it still lags the 4.3% increase in consumer prices over the
same period (see BusinessWeek.com, 8/4/06, "July Jobs: Pretext for a Fed Pause?"). Even managers and
professionals are taking the hit: Figures from the BLS show that their real wages have fallen by 1.8% and 1.1%,
respectively, over the past year. This is not what I expected. Historically, real wages rise along with productivity
once labor markets are tight enough. Based on the experiences of the 1990s, I was confident that wage growth was going
to accelerate once the unemployment rate dropped conclusively below 5%. Still, the wage picture remains bleak. Key
Differences. True, there are some hopeful signs of life. According to the National Association of Colleges &
Employers [NACE], "starting salary offers to new college graduates continue to climb." For example, the
starting salary for accounting graduates is up 5.5% over the previous year. That's more than the 4.3% rise in consumer
prices and well ahead of the 2.6% increase in all prices except food and energy. But in a lot of fields that NACE
tracks, the gains are not enough to keep up with inflation. Initial salary offers for computer science majors are up 1%,
marketing majors saw an increase of 0.9%, and liberal arts majors a meager 0.2%, with these teeny increases obliterated
by inflation. But if the phenomenon of falling real wages is clear, the explanation is not. In the 1980s and 1990s,
there was a sense that education and the ability to make use of new technology were the key differences between those
who did well and those who didn't. Workers who could adapt to the new world of information technology prospered; those
who could not saw their wages fall or their jobs disappear. Low-Wage Competition. Today, neither a college education
nor computer literacy is enough to guarantee rising real wages. Some people are obviously doing better than others.
Workers in the financial and health-care industries, for example, have seen their real wages drop by less over the past
two years than those in retailing. But in no part of the economy are real wages doing well. There are two alternative
explanations for this broad-based problem. The first one has to do with globalization. Competition with low-cost workers
in China, India, Eastern Europe, and the rest of the developing world may finally be taking its toll on American
workers. With a surplus of labor around the world, real wages will stagnate, while returns to capital will rise. Now,
that's not bad news for everyone. If you own a home, you own a capital asset whose value has soared in recent years. If
you have a 401(k) retirement account invested in the stock market, its value, too, has likely gone up since 2003. And if
you are a taxpayer -- as most of us are -- it's a plus that state and local pension fund reserves have gone up more than
9%, or $245 billion, over the past year alone, in large part because of stock market gains. This makes it less likely
that taxes will have to be hiked in the future to pay for government employee retirement benefits. If the globalization
answer is correct, then in general it's the young who are going to be hit the hardest. They don't have homes or other
financial investments, and they have their whole working lives stretching in front of them, so weak real wages hurt them
badly. For middle-class Americans aged 50 and higher, the math may be much different, since they likely own their own
homes, which have greatly appreciated. Overestimated? The other explanation for weak real wages is much more gloomy.
Remember that wages usually track along with productivity. I hate to even say it, but what if the productivity gains of
recent years have been overestimated? The latest revision of gross domestic product, released on July 28, seems to have
cut productivity growth in 2004 and 2005 by almost half a percentage point. Further revisions of the statistics could
push the number down even more. No, I haven't swung from my usual optimism into the doom-and-gloom camp. But whatever
way you cut it, the stagnation of real wages is not a good thing. You can chalk it up to globalization if you want
but the truth is the decline in real wages is a direct result of the policies implemented by the Bush administration.
Everything Bush has done since taking office has been designed to make those on the upper end of the class scale get an
advantage. Business has been given unprecedented perks. On the other hand, nothing has been done to help the working
man, in fact, everything done has hurt workers. Globalization is just another policy choice the government has made that
is hurting average Americans. Other countries with different policies are not seeing the problems we are. The other
countries that we are getting killed by in free trade are doing fine. Countries like Germany are not seeing their wages
decline like ours are. It's all about the direction the leadership takes the country. Our leaders have chosen to improve
things for business and the wealthy. So it's not surprising that things are going the other direction for ordinary
workers. That's not a coincidence. Had the Bush administration taken a different tact, like it chose to do everything it
could to improve the condition of the working man and the middle class it's policies would have been very different and
you would have seen gains for the average man and not much gain for the upper class. The point is that the decisions
made by our government have decided who gets hurt and who gains. Anyone can see the working class is getting hurt and
the upper class has made very good gains as a result of Bush's leadership. Is it any wonder why the wealthy and business
wanted Bush to be the president? The question is why did the ordinary people want Bush when it was always clear that he
was going to run a government that was going to lower their standard of living. The easy answer is they are too stupid
to understand not to vote for someone that has positions that are contrary to their interests. Clearly the upper class
understands this and votes only for those who promise to help them get even more of the pie. Hawke YES!!! It's
those nasty businesses fault! They have no right to make profit...I know, we'll nationalize them and pay the workers a
lot more...Yea, yea THAT'LL work!!! It's all Bush's fault, he didn't fill in the huge hole that Clinton dug...and he
killed Kenny, you bastard! Boy, I thought you could read a lot better than that. I guess not. I said it was the
policies of the Bush administration that are causing a lot of the problems of the working class. Where did you get the
business is at fault part? You must have been thinking that before you even finished reading my post because your reply
really has nothing to do with what I wrote. Nobody said business isn't entitled to a profit. The point is that the
workers are seeing declines in wages and lifestyle. There is a reason. The Bush administration isn't helping them at
all. It is pro business and is doing all it can to promote business. It's as simple as that. Who is getting the help
workers or businesses? Obviously, it's not the workers who are getting any breaks. But what do you expect from a
republican administration, a champion of the working class? Hawke What breaks are the workers supposed to get? How
about tax cuts? How about[/quote:e05e4896f6] a paycheck? Union workers demands have closed down HOW MANY companies?
-or driven the jobs over seas. American workers aren't always competitive in a global market. In a global sense,
American workers are WAY over paid! What's your solution? Protectionism? OK with me! And just where are the huge
benefits for companies? I WANT MY HUGE COMPANY BENEFITS!!! I still say you killed kenny, you bastard!

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View entire thread: OT - The "Mystery" of Low Wage Growth
Posted by Hawke on Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:18 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - The "Mystery" of Low Wage Growth

"Tom Gardner" <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote in message
news:mmNBg.1908$1f6.537@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... [quote:95efe05a8a] "Hawke" <desmithe@c-zone.net>
wrote in message news:12dev63aoavv2a2@corp.supernews.com... "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_tools@yahoo.com>
wrote in message news:1154965938.144979.226410@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... The Mystery of Low Wage Growth By Michael
Mandel Mon Aug 7 Perhaps the oddest and most depressing fact about the U.S. economy these days is the lack of real
wage growth. The unemployment rate has been below 5% since December, and productivity growth is still looking strong.
Yet wages and salaries, adjusted for inflation, are down for virtually every broad occupational category. According to
the latest numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, average hourly earnings for production and nonsupervisory
workers are up by 3.8% over the past year. That may sound halfway decent, but it still lags the 4.3% increase in
consumer prices over the same period (see BusinessWeek.com, 8/4/06, "July Jobs: Pretext for a Fed Pause?").
Even managers and professionals are taking the hit: Figures from the BLS show that their real wages have fallen by 1.8%
and 1.1%, respectively, over the past year. This is not what I expected. Historically, real wages rise along with
productivity once labor markets are tight enough. Based on the experiences of the 1990s, I was confident that wage
growth was going to accelerate once the unemployment rate dropped conclusively below 5%. Still, the wage picture remains
bleak. Key Differences. True, there are some hopeful signs of life. According to the National Association of Colleges
& Employers [NACE], "starting salary offers to new college graduates continue to climb." For example, the
starting salary for accounting graduates is up 5.5% over the previous year. That's more than the 4.3% rise in consumer
prices and well ahead of the 2.6% increase in all prices except food and energy. But in a lot of fields that NACE
tracks, the gains are not enough to keep up with inflation. Initial salary offers for computer science majors are up 1%,
marketing majors saw an increase of 0.9%, and liberal arts majors a meager 0.2%, with these teeny increases obliterated
by inflation. But if the phenomenon of falling real wages is clear, the explanation is not. In the 1980s and 1990s,
there was a sense that education and the ability to make use of new technology were the key differences between those
who did well and those who didn't. Workers who could adapt to the new world of information technology prospered; those
who could not saw their wages fall or their jobs disappear. Low-Wage Competition. Today, neither a college education
nor computer literacy is enough to guarantee rising real wages. Some people are obviously doing better than others.
Workers in the financial and health-care industries, for example, have seen their real wages drop by less over the past
two years than those in retailing. But in no part of the economy are real wages doing well. There are two alternative
explanations for this broad-based problem. The first one has to do with globalization. Competition with low-cost workers
in China, India, Eastern Europe, and the rest of the developing world may finally be taking its toll on American
workers. With a surplus of labor around the world, real wages will stagnate, while returns to capital will rise. Now,
that's not bad news for everyone. If you own a home, you own a capital asset whose value has soared in recent years. If
you have a 401(k) retirement account invested in the stock market, its value, too, has likely gone up since 2003. And if
you are a taxpayer -- as most of us are -- it's a plus that state and local pension fund reserves have gone up more than
9%, or $245 billion, over the past year alone, in large part because of stock market gains. This makes it less likely
that taxes will have to be hiked in the future to pay for government employee retirement benefits. If the globalization
answer is correct, then in general it's the young who are going to be hit the hardest. They don't have homes or other
financial investments, and they have their whole working lives stretching in front of them, so weak real wages hurt them
badly. For middle-class Americans aged 50 and higher, the math may be much different, since they likely own their own
homes, which have greatly appreciated. Overestimated? The other explanation for weak real wages is much more gloomy.
Remember that wages usually track along with productivity. I hate to even say it, but what if the productivity gains of
recent years have been overestimated? The latest revision of gross domestic product, released on July 28, seems to have
cut productivity growth in 2004 and 2005 by almost half a percentage point. Further revisions of the statistics could
push the number down even more. No, I haven't swung from my usual optimism into the doom-and-gloom camp. But whatever
way you cut it, the stagnation of real wages is not a good thing. You can chalk it up to globalization if you want
but the truth is the decline in real wages is a direct result of the policies implemented by the Bush administration.
Everything Bush has done since taking office has been designed to make those on the upper end of the class scale get an
advantage. Business has been given unprecedented perks. On the other hand, nothing has been done to help the working
man, in fact, everything done has hurt workers. Globalization is just another policy choice the government has made that
is hurting average Americans. Other countries with different policies are not seeing the problems we are. The other
countries that we are getting killed by in free trade are doing fine. Countries like Germany are not seeing their wages
decline like ours are. It's all about the direction the leadership takes the country. Our leaders have chosen to improve
things for business and the wealthy. So it's not surprising that things are going the other direction for ordinary
workers. That's not a coincidence. Had the Bush administration taken a different tact, like it chose to do everything it
could to improve the condition of the working man and the middle class it's policies would have been very different and
you would have seen gains for the average man and not much gain for the upper class. The point is that the decisions
made by our government have decided who gets hurt and who gains. Anyone can see the working class is getting hurt and
the upper class has made very good gains as a result of Bush's leadership. Is it any wonder why the wealthy and business
wanted Bush to be the president? The question is why did the ordinary people want Bush when it was always clear that he
was going to run a government that was going to lower their standard of living. The easy answer is they are too stupid
to understand not to vote for someone that has positions that are contrary to their interests. Clearly the upper class
understands this and votes only for those who promise to help them get even more of the pie. Hawke YES!!! It's
those nasty businesses fault! They have no right to make profit...I know, we'll nationalize them and pay the workers a
lot more...Yea, yea THAT'LL work!!! It's all Bush's fault, he didn't fill in the huge hole that Clinton dug...and he
killed Kenny, you bastard! [/quote:95efe05a8a] Boy, I thought you could read a lot better than that. I guess not. I
said it was the policies of the Bush administration that are causing a lot of the problems of the working class. Where
did you get the business is at fault part? You must have been thinking that before you even finished reading my post
because your reply really has nothing to do with what I wrote. Nobody said business isn't entitled to a profit. The
point is that the workers are seeing declines in wages and lifestyle. There is a reason. The Bush administration isn't
helping them at all. It is pro business and is doing all it can to promote business. It's as simple as that. Who is
getting the help workers or businesses? Obviously, it's not the workers who are getting any breaks. But what do you
expect from a republican administration, a champion of the working class? Hawke

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View entire thread: OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census
Posted by Cats on Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:33 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census

I suspect they are mor einterested in IR, employment, tax and health care issues than whether we are happy well-
rounded personalities LOL But then again - you have to consider who is asking the questions. -- Cheryl &
the Cats _ _ _ _ _ _ ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) ( > Y < ) ~
~ ~ Enness Boofhead Donut Now in hibernation with a wake-up call for Spring!
http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Bronnie"
<bf@australiamail.com> wrote in message news:1155191327.174019.278070@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... : : Hi
girls, : I completed the Census form on-line - it was simple to follow and very : user-friendly. You could stop
anytime, file it, and go back to it. I : did mine earlier in the day and I was curious to see when DH accessed : it in
the early evening whether the site would be jammed or overloaded. : No, just as easy. Much safer than leaving forms
outside for : collectors. : Disappointed there were no Q. on pet-ownership - glaringly absent I'd : say LOL. : Nothing
on hobbies or lifestyle issues. Or fitness activities. Or : chocolate preferences. : Ho hum. : : Cheers : Bronnie :

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View entire thread: OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census
Posted by Bronnie on Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:28 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census

Hi girls, I completed the Census form on-line - it was simple to follow and very user-friendly. You could stop anytime,
file it, and go back to it. I did mine earlier in the day and I was curious to see when DH accessed it in the early
evening whether the site would be jammed or overloaded. No, just as easy. Much safer than leaving forms outside for
collectors. Disappointed there were no Q. on pet-ownership - glaringly absent I'd say LOL. Nothing on hobbies or
lifestyle issues. Or fitness activities. Or chocolate preferences. Ho hum. Cheers Bronnie

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View entire thread: OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census
Posted by Cats on Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:24 AM    Post subject: Re: OT - all of it irrelevant including the Census

LOL - never thought about it from that angle/dimension. My census collector even said they (ABS) discourage
putting forms in an envelope now. So much for respecting privacy. No wonder the paranoid among us hate the census. I
guess even if you did use an envelope the collector would just open it as soon as they got home. They are welcome to
read my form. If they are so desperate for a bit of entertainment that they want to read my boring details I feel
sorry for them ROFL -- Cheryl & the Cats _ _ _ _ _ _ ( > Y < ) ( >
Y < ) ( > Y < ) ~ ~ ~ Enness Boofhead Donut Now in
hibernation with a wake-up call for Spring! http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest
catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Fey" <hedonics@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:1155080493.633010.134890@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... : : Cats wrote: : > Last night was Census night in
Australia, so we have all : > been herded, counted and categorised. As I used to work for : > the Bureau of
Stats I dutifully did my bit. But I was : > disappointed that they no longer have space for some of the : >
lifestyle questions that really used to be interesting (like : > do you have pets?). : > : I was wondering what
would happen if I put my occupation as "Time : Lord". Would my nationality be Galifreyan or would that be my
ancestry : - and could I legitimatley use "The Tardis" as my address? Would Tardis : be the name of my
dwelling perhaps? I know the Tardis always appears in : some seedy back corner of London when it appears on Earth... :
> : > For the first time we could fill in our census info on-line. : > Did anyone on here use that option?
Just wondered how it : > went. : : Nope, not going to waste my poota on that. : Never know who might be looking! : :
Cheers,Fay :

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View entire thread: OT Drycleaning baby clothes
Posted by Taria on Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:13 AM    Post subject: Re: OT Drycleaning baby clothes

You are a good woman Miss Polly. I am lucky with my simple lifestyle I rarely need anything that needs dry cleaned for
me, much less for a baby (we are fresh out of those anyway around here) Taria polly esther wrote: [quote:842196f4f2]Oh
boy. It looks like there's plenty of room here to talk to myself so I'll add two more OT bits of good news. The
Christmas portrait dress I made for the 2 year-old is finished, fits perfectly and makes a grand parachute. The little
one has discovered that if you jump on the bed while wearing it that it does a marvelous whoosh! And ! the Sesame
Street Bert quilt has been delivered and is beloved. Who could ask for more? Polly "polly esther" wrote
[/quote:842196f4f2]

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View entire thread: OT: Gun control in Canada and Dawson College.
Posted by Pat P on Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:59 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: Vissitudes of hunting

"Lucille" <lucillez@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ALudnRofRZuTEozYnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
[quote:d6f964b9c3] "Pat P" <eaxstitchNOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:o5gQg.33004$7D6.4982@
newsfe2-win.ntli.net... "Lucille" <lucillez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZaGdnW6zo6TslZPYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com... "Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4n6en8F8hemgU2@individual.net... Lucille wrote: Not even close. It's quite obvious to me that you've never spent
a day without oxygen. "Brenda Lewis" <rhiannonveritas@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:450dda44$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... Bah, a day without meat is like a day without oxygen! Carnivores
unite! OY, Lucille, what ARE you thinking?!?!? LOLOL CiaoMeow >^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of
Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary I'm thinking that although I'm not a vegetarian, I probably could be if I
had someone to prepare and cook stuff for me. That's because I'm lazy. And because I was brought up in the inner city
where nearly all the wild animals were homo sapiens and maybe a rare squirrel, hunting for food was not a part of my
lifestyle I also happen to strongly believe that NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE---not cops, not hunters, not soldiers, NO ONE
---needs to have a gun. I know that's simplistic but I'm one of those people who have answers based on my personal
opinion and backed up by my thoughts alone. Nothing scientific or particularly knowledge based, just my feelings. As
far as the statement about oxygen is concerned, I find nothing funny about breathing problems and have little tolerance
for that kind of humor. Again, not worth anyone's thought--just my opinion. Night, night Lucille For God`s sake,
Lucille, much as we sympathise with anyone with breathing, or any other kind of problems, every time anyone says
ANYTHING it`s going to grate on SOMEONE - no-one would be able to speak on any subject at all if we had to weigh each
word! If anyone had ever stuck a needle in their foot, they`d find this whole pesky GROUP offensive! A little balance,
please! Pat What part of "just my opinion" didn't you understand?? [/quote:d6f964b9c3] In that case, hardly
worth considering, I must admit! Go on - laugh - I dare you! Pat

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View entire thread: OT: Gun control in Canada and Dawson College.
Posted by Lucille on Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:57 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: Vissitudes of hunting

"Pat P" <eaxstitchNOSPAM@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:o5gQg.33004$7D6.4982@newsfe2-
win.ntli.net... [quote:2d4cfb01d8] "Lucille" <lucillez@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZaGdnW6zo6TslZPYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com... "Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4n6en8F8hemgU2@individual.net... Lucille wrote: Not even close. It's quite obvious to me that you've never spent
a day without oxygen. "Brenda Lewis" <rhiannonveritas@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:450dda44$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... Bah, a day without meat is like a day without oxygen! Carnivores
unite! OY, Lucille, what ARE you thinking?!?!? LOLOL CiaoMeow >^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of
Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary I'm thinking that although I'm not a vegetarian, I probably could be if I
had someone to prepare and cook stuff for me. That's because I'm lazy. And because I was brought up in the inner city
where nearly all the wild animals were homo sapiens and maybe a rare squirrel, hunting for food was not a part of my
lifestyle I also happen to strongly believe that NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE---not cops, not hunters, not soldiers, NO ONE
---needs to have a gun. I know that's simplistic but I'm one of those people who have answers based on my personal
opinion and backed up by my thoughts alone. Nothing scientific or particularly knowledge based, just my feelings. As
far as the statement about oxygen is concerned, I find nothing funny about breathing problems and have little tolerance
for that kind of humor. Again, not worth anyone's thought--just my opinion. Night, night Lucille For God`s sake,
Lucille, much as we sympathise with anyone with breathing, or any other kind of problems, every time anyone says
ANYTHING it`s going to grate on SOMEONE - no-one would be able to speak on any subject at all if we had to weigh each
word! If anyone had ever stuck a needle in their foot, they`d find this whole pesky GROUP offensive! A little balance,
please! Pat [/quote:2d4cfb01d8] What part of "just my opinion" didn't you understand?? [quote:2d4cfb01d8]
[/quote:2d4cfb01d8]

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View entire thread: OT: Gun control in Canada and Dawson College.
Posted by Pat P on Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:52 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: Vissitudes of hunting

"Lucille" <lucillez@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ZaGdnW6zo6TslZPYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
[quote:b1a1f9731e] "Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote in message
news:4n6en8F8hemgU2@individual.net... Lucille wrote: Not even close. It's quite obvious to me that you've never spent
a day without oxygen. "Brenda Lewis" <rhiannonveritas@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:450dda44$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... Bah, a day without meat is like a day without oxygen! Carnivores
unite! OY, Lucille, what ARE you thinking?!?!? LOLOL CiaoMeow >^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of
Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary I'm thinking that although I'm not a vegetarian, I probably could be if I
had someone to prepare and cook stuff for me. That's because I'm lazy. And because I was brought up in the inner city
where nearly all the wild animals were homo sapiens and maybe a rare squirrel, hunting for food was not a part of my
lifestyle I also happen to strongly believe that NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE---not cops, not hunters, not soldiers, NO ONE
---needs to have a gun. I know that's simplistic but I'm one of those people who have answers based on my personal
opinion and backed up by my thoughts alone. Nothing scientific or particularly knowledge based, just my feelings. As
far as the statement about oxygen is concerned, I find nothing funny about breathing problems and have little tolerance
for that kind of humor. Again, not worth anyone's thought--just my opinion. Night, night Lucille [/quote:b1a1f9731e]
For God`s sake, Lucille, much as we sympathise with anyone with breathing, or any other kind of problems, every time
anyone says ANYTHING it`s going to grate on SOMEONE - no-one would be able to speak on any subject at all if we had to
weigh each word! If anyone had ever stuck a needle in their foot, they`d find this whole pesky GROUP offensive! A
little balance, please! Pat

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View entire thread: OT: Gun control in Canada and Dawson College.
Posted by Lucille on Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:45 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Vissitudes of hunting

"Tia Mary" <CatWom7711@aol.com> wrote in message news:4n6en8F8hemgU2@individual.net...
[quote:704c1abddb]Lucille wrote: Not even close. It's quite obvious to me that you've never spent a day without
oxygen. "Brenda Lewis" <rhiannonveritas@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:450dda44$0$6975$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... Bah, a day without meat is like a day without oxygen! Carnivores
unite! OY, Lucille, what ARE you thinking?!?!? LOLOL CiaoMeow >^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of
Kitties) Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their whiskers! Visit my Photo albums at
http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary [/quote:704c1abddb] I'm thinking that although I'm not a vegetarian, I
probably could be if I had someone to prepare and cook stuff for me. That's because I'm lazy. And because I was
brought up in the inner city where nearly all the wild animals were homo sapiens and maybe a rare squirrel, hunting for
food was not a part of my lifestyle I also happen to strongly believe that NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE---not cops, not
hunters, not soldiers, NO ONE---needs to have a gun. I know that's simplistic but I'm one of those people who have
answers based on my personal opinion and backed up by my thoughts alone. Nothing scientific or particularly knowledge
based, just my feelings. As far as the statement about oxygen is concerned, I find nothing funny about breathing
problems and have little tolerance for that kind of humor. Again, not worth anyone's thought--just my opinion. Night,
night Lucille

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View entire thread: OT: Are You Moving?
Posted by Leslie & The Furbabies in on Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:29 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

I dunno... I use all the words and phrases interchangeably- quilting- sewing- room- studio. But then I've been known to
do all kinds of things in my "studio/room"... make curtains, clothing and dog beds; repair linens and clothing
and fishing gear; silk ribbon embroidery; mani and pedi-cures; read; exercise; floral arrangements; dog training; fabric
dying; my computer stuff; design houses; iron clothing; talk on the phone; eat; entertain friends; hide from my
sometimes grumpy hubby; paint and/or stain furniture; listen to music; etc. Some times I even make a quilt in there! I
guess I need to call it "My Do Everything Sometimes Room"??? Leslie (multi-tasking one task at a time) &
The Furbabies in MO. WV Quilter wrote: [quote:8848321e93]What's the difference in a quilt studio and a quilt room?
Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: We're "starting" to move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel
into sewing room back into a useable garage, his den in the spare bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of
stuff have gone into storage to make this little house look a bit "larger". So, I guess we're getting ready
to get ready??? I have the new house plans about finalized (I draw my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground on
the new house in the spring. My hunky hubby's knee surgery hasn't healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair work-
a major infection and a scare that the spliced ligamant hadn't taken- but all is well after all) and with a bunch of
other crap we just didn't feel we needed to start a house-building project right now. So mark us down as "getting
closer"! Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.- moving only about 3 miles but into a major lifestyle change!
Butterflywings wrote: Wonder how many of us are in the moving process right now besides you and I? I know one gal just
moved and another is planning on it---but I'm too tired to remember names and where they are heeded---another town,
state, or just down that street and over a couple.... Butterfly[/quote:8848321e93]

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Posted by Leslie & The Furbabies in on Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:27 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

I dunno... I use all the words and phrases interchangeably- quilting- sewing- room- studio. But then I've been known to
do all kinds of things in my "studio/room"... make curtains, clothing and dog beds; repair linens and clothing
and fishing gear; silk ribbon embroidery; mani and pedi-cures; read; exercise; floral arrangements; dog training; fabric
dying; my computer stuff; design houses; iron clothing; talk on the phone; eat; entertain friends; hide from my
sometimes grumpy hubby; paint and/or stain furniture; listen to music; etc. Some times I even make a quilt in there! I
guess I need to call it "My Do Everything Sometimes Room"??? Leslie (multi-tasking one task at a time) &
The Furbabies in MO. WV Quilter wrote: [quote:675f5cf88e]What's the difference in a quilt studio and a quilt room?
Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: We're "starting" to move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel
into sewing room back into a useable garage, his den in the spare bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of
stuff have gone into storage to make this little house look a bit "larger". So, I guess we're getting ready
to get ready??? I have the new house plans about finalized (I draw my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground on
the new house in the spring. My hunky hubby's knee surgery hasn't healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair work-
a major infection and a scare that the spliced ligamant hadn't taken- but all is well after all) and with a bunch of
other crap we just didn't feel we needed to start a house-building project right now. So mark us down as "getting
closer"! Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.- moving only about 3 miles but into a major lifestyle change!
Butterflywings wrote: Wonder how many of us are in the moving process right now besides you and I? I know one gal just
moved and another is planning on it---but I'm too tired to remember names and where they are heeded---another town,
state, or just down that street and over a couple.... Butterfly[/quote:675f5cf88e]

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View entire thread: OT: Are You Moving?
Posted by maryd on Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:32 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

If that's true, then our living room is my studio. <g> -- Mary http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948
"KJ" <KJoger@NOSPAMmchsi.com> wrote in message news:YhV_g.114463$aJ.13924@attbi_s21... : Someone at our
guild lecture once said you had a sewing room if that's where : you sewed, but if you left your ironing board up all
the time in that room, : it was your studio! Don't ask me....... : KJ : "WV Quilter" <qdu@charter.net>
wrote in message : news:1161567769.133500.144720@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... : > What's the difference in a quilt
studio and a quilt room? : > Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: : >> We're "starting" to
move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel : >> into sewing room back into a useable garage, his den in the
spare : >> bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of stuff have gone : >> into storage to make
this little house look a bit "larger". So, I : >> guess we're getting ready to get ready??? I have the
new house plans : >> about finalized (I draw my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground : >> on the new
house in the spring. My hunky hubby's knee surgery hasn't : >> healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair
work- a major infection : >> and a scare that the spliced ligamant hadn't taken- but all is well : >> after
all) and with a bunch of other crap we just didn't feel we needed : >> to start a house-building project right
now. : >> : >> So mark us down as "getting closer"! : >> : >> Leslie & The
Furbabies in MO.- moving only about 3 miles but into a : >> major lifestyle change! : >> : >>
Butterflywings wrote: : >> > Wonder how many of us are in the moving process right now besides you : >>
> and I? : >> > I know one gal just moved and another is planning on it---but I'm too : >> > tired
: >> > to remember names and where they are heeded---another town, state, or : >> > just : >>
> down that street and over a couple.... : >> > : >> > Butterfly : > : :

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Posted by KJ on Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:55 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

Someone at our guild lecture once said you had a sewing room if that's where you sewed, but if you left your ironing
board up all the time in that room, it was your studio! Don't ask me....... KJ "WV Quilter"
<qdu@charter.net> wrote in message news:1161567769.133500.144720@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:52937a74c0]What's the difference in a quilt studio and a quilt room? Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote:
We're "starting" to move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel into sewing room back into a useable
garage, his den in the spare bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of stuff have gone into storage to make
this little house look a bit "larger". So, I guess we're getting ready to get ready??? I have the new house
plans about finalized (I draw my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground on the new house in the spring. My hunky
hubby's knee surgery hasn't healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair work- a major infection and a scare that the
spliced ligamant hadn't taken- but all is well after all) and with a bunch of other crap we just didn't feel we needed
to start a house-building project right now. So mark us down as "getting closer"! Leslie & The Furbabies
in MO.- moving only about 3 miles but into a major lifestyle change! Butterflywings wrote: Wonder how many of us are
in the moving process right now besides you and I? I know one gal just moved and another is planning on it---but I'm too
tired to remember names and where they are heeded---another town, state, or just down that street and over a couple....
Butterfly [/quote:52937a74c0]

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Posted by Taria on Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:49 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

my thought would be 'attitude'. Studio has a nice classy ring to it. Sorry to hear about Mr. Collins' knee. Hope he
is doing better soon. Hope you are holding up as he heels. Taria WV Quilter wrote: [quote:dec6e0e3ed]What's the
difference in a quilt studio and a quilt room? Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: We're "starting" to
move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel into sewing room back into a useable garage, his den in the spare
bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of stuff have gone into storage to make this little house look a bit
"larger". So, I guess we're getting ready to get ready??? I have the new house plans about finalized (I draw
my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground on the new house in the spring. My hunky hubby's knee surgery hasn't
healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair work- a major infection and a scare that the spliced ligamant hadn't
taken- but all is well after all) and with a bunch of other crap we just didn't feel we needed to start a house-building
project right now. So mark us down as "getting closer"! Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.- moving only about
3 miles but into a major lifestyle change! Butterflywings wrote: Wonder how many of us are in the moving process
right now besides you and I? I know one gal just moved and another is planning on it---but I'm too tired to remember
names and where they are heeded---another town, state, or just down that street and over a couple.... Butterfly
[/quote:dec6e0e3ed]

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Posted by WV Quilter on Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:42 AM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

What's the difference in a quilt studio and a quilt room? Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote:
[quote:82dae2c95f]We're "starting" to move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel into sewing room back
into a useable garage, his den in the spare bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of stuff have gone into
storage to make this little house look a bit "larger". So, I guess we're getting ready to get ready??? I
have the new house plans about finalized (I draw my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground on the new house in the
spring. My hunky hubby's knee surgery hasn't healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair work- a major infection and
a scare that the spliced ligamant hadn't taken- but all is well after all) and with a bunch of other crap we just didn't
feel we needed to start a house-building project right now. So mark us down as "getting closer"! Leslie
& The Furbabies in MO.- moving only about 3 miles but into a major lifestyle change! Butterflywings wrote: Wonder
how many of us are in the moving process right now besides you and I? I know one gal just moved and another is planning
on it---but I'm too tired to remember names and where they are heeded---another town, state, or just down that street
and over a couple.... Butterfly[/quote:82dae2c95f]

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Posted by Leslie & The Furbabies in on Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:44 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: Are You Moving?

We're "starting" to move.... that means unwinding the garage remodel into sewing room back into a useable
garage, his den in the spare bedroom is now my temp quilting studio and bunches of stuff have gone into storage to make
this little house look a bit "larger". So, I guess we're getting ready to get ready??? I have the new house
plans about finalized (I draw my own blueprints) and we plan to break ground on the new house in the spring. My hunky
hubby's knee surgery hasn't healed well (ACL repair plus some other repair work- a major infection and a scare that the
spliced ligamant hadn't taken- but all is well after all) and with a bunch of other crap we just didn't feel we needed
to start a house-building project right now. So mark us down as "getting closer"! Leslie & The Furbabies
in MO.- moving only about 3 miles but into a major lifestyle change! Butterflywings wrote: [quote:6ab4b5fc9e]Wonder
how many of us are in the moving process right now besides you and I? I know one gal just moved and another is planning
on it---but I'm too tired to remember names and where they are heeded---another town, state, or just down that street
and over a couple.... Butterfly[/quote:6ab4b5fc9e]

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Posted by M Rimmer on Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:15 AM    Post subject: Re: Y'all will love this blog

In message <invalid-4717D6.14235430082006@news.west.earthlink.net>, Sandy Foster <invalid@invalid.invalid>
writes [quote:9c4b7156d9] Nope -- that particular one is safe. I took a deep breath and tried it. Whew!
[/quote:9c4b7156d9] Not only safe, it's great. She certainly has a taste for "hot" funky colours and designs.
I really enjoyed reading it and looking at her creations. Whilst we're here, can I just plug my own blog? Normally I
wouldn't mention it because it's not about quilting per se, it's about my family's attempts to live more sustainably -
growing our own veggies, keeping chickens in the back yard etc. But in the last few days I've posted some pictures of
quilts and talked about patchwork and quilting as recycling and reusing fabrics, as part of a sustainable lifestyle.
I'll post a few more quilts in the next few days so I thought maybe some of you might want to go and have a look. It's
at http://bean-sprouts.blogspot.com/ If you do visit, please do leave a comment. You don't need to register, and I
love it when I get comments. -- Mel Rimmer www.bean-sprouts.blogspot.com

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Posted by off kilter quilter on Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:13 PM    Post subject: Re: Ideas?

This was ours: http://www.replacements.com/webquote/L__CHA99.htm pretty blue and pink flowers, and yes, it had napkins,
which could then only be found at the Lenox factory stores. However, our lifestyle is not conducive to GOOD china,
and we needed money, so I sould everything back to Lenox - the dishes, glassware, accessories....ah well. We have a
lovely blue set of dishes with gold accents that we now use for special occasions. They are microwave, dishwasher
safe, and fairly durable, which is a plus since we have young children <grin>. Mother was upset because she
thought I would have held onto the dishes for our daughter...probably should have since she's such a girly girl (this
pattern was NOT my first choice, but Mother vetoed that one...http://www.replacements.com/webquote/L__ECL.htm) Larisa,
of and running again this morning Butterflywings wrote: [quote:5857cc28ae]Our fine china was purchased by DH when he
was in service: Sylvia by Noritake (http://www.replacements.com/webquote/N__SYL.htm) . Butterfly (never did find
napkins for it ) [/quote:5857cc28ae]

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Posted by Julia in MN on Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:55 PM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

One more note to all the good advice that everyone has given you -- if you go to a hair stylist for a new
"do", take along some pictures of hairdos you like. Cut them out of magazines (pay or find them on the
internet (try googling hairdo pictures). Ask the stylist if the styles you like are appropriate for your hair type; if
not, ask him/her to suggest some alternatives. I have fine, very straight hair and I find that a short, straight cut
works best for me. I like curls, but perms are too hard on my hair. Mine is a low maintenance hairdo (shampoo, gel,
and go) that works fine for my casual, retired lifestyle. On the rare occasion that I am dressing up, I can touch it up
with a curling iron. I had longer hair for awhile, but I was always pulling it back and I decided it really made me
look older, so it was back to my old reliable short do. Julia in MN Tricia wrote: [quote:1003642c28]No offense to our
male readers/quilters, but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away,
let me say, I know there is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes,
much more important) things AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a
strong, self-sufficient (and self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a
woman. If you find this topic offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. I think most of us
would probably say that the teen years is the WHEN in regards to learning to be a "woman" rather than a
"girl". During my teen years my life was pretty screwed up (mom and stepass getting divorced, long lost
father back in my life, acquiring a stepmother, living with an abusive alcoholic, etc. PLUS all the usual teen angst
issues). Somewhat as a result (I think) something "short circuited" in my development in *how* to be a woman
rather than a girl, or rather in some other regards, being an adult vs a child. I didn't have role models for what I'm
facing now in any regard. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how to
properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more
knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more
like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a
perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my
request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin'
suck. Part of it is having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask
it all. For the most part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and
while I tended to leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the
question inevitably came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up.
That was fine in that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been
"done up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is
the fact that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably
overweight), I tend to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or
incompetent. -- or like I just "don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel
that myth either). Besides the employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up
properly for a while now -- simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening
with my husband or to a wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have
plenty, I thought I'd ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia
[/quote:1003642c28] -- This message has been scanned for viruses by Norton Anti-Virus
http://webpages.charter.net/jaccola/

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Posted by off kilter quilter on Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:33 AM    Post subject: Re: OT proposed discussion: How did you learn to be a "woma

"Tricia" <cricket527@e-garfield.com> wrote in message
news:1156777944.773715.83950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... [quote:6f6f59b932]No offense to our male readers/quilters,
but this topic is weighing on my mind right now and needs discussing AFAIC....Also, right away, let me say, I know there
is much more to being a woman than make up and hair styles and such. Those other (and yes, much more important) things
AREN'T the things I want to discuss in this thread. I had *great* role models for being a strong, self-sufficient (and
self-sacrificing) woman. Please don't flame me for trivalizing what it means to be a woman. If you find this topic
offensive, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone or incite a riot. Not offended, we all come here for help with
various needs, it's all good. Specific to the Woman v Girl thing, I know virtually nothing about make up, let alone how
to properly apply it so I don't look like clown or tramp. Forget trying to style my hair (although I have a little more
knowledge on that) in anything other than a basic flyaway ponytail -- it's basically not happening (these days it's more
like getting me to do anything other than use a headband 'cause it only makes a stubby tail). Occassionally I get a
perm. I can't manage to use curlers to save my soul, not even the nice heated ones DH got me a few years ago at my
request. Basically when it comes to being "pretty", "feminine", and "done up", I friggin'
suck. You'll laugh at this, but I learned about makeup (initially) from my[/quote:6f6f59b932] *younger* cousin!! SHe is
10 months younger than me nad has ALWAYS been ahead of me in things (heels, perms, short skirts, makeup). SHe taught
me 1-color eyeshadow application, lining under my eyes (actually ON the lower lid, which I don't do nowdays), and other
nonsense. I didn't actually wear makeup until a few years later, and God help me, it was the '80s, so I had purple
and baby blue eyeshadow - not good for someone with blue eyes!! Once I saw my 8th grade picture, I decided to ask for
help. Mother had a friend that was hosting an Amway party - we could have our colors done for free and we could try
makeup (with the thought that we would buy something). That's where I learned that shades of brown are *really* good
for me (reddish-brown hair, peachy tint to skin, blue eyes). I also learned that red lipstick is NOT for me!! Flash
forward a few years to when I started working for The Body Shop (btw, they also do free makeovers) and I learned even
more - cleansers, moisturizers, pwder vs. cream./liquid. I went through several phases between those 2 major learning
experiences, mostly trial and error because Mother didn't want to help me and friends were all so different. Sophomore
year in HS: hair was short in back with longer bits on the top, 3 very blonde streaks in it, and as immovable as a Ken
doll. makeup was the precursor to today's Goth (hey, I started a trend!! lol) - grey and black eyeshadow, black
eyeliner, NO blush, DARK red lipstick Junior Yr: longer hair, slight layers, very minimal makeup, NO black! Sr year:
spent at the local community college, where I was the youngest student at the time (16). Rarely even wore the
"basics" of lipstick and mascara. Have NEVER subscribed to the opinion that I need to wear makeup whenever
I go out of the house. I do a "full face" for special events (like DHs company holiday party), but if it is
not as special, I might only do eyeliner and a light lipstick. NO sense doing mascara when my eyelashes are already
long and thick (my glasses sit down a bit so my lashes won't hit them...and yes, both children have inherited them from
me!). Clothes...I've pretyt much set my own path here. When I was younger, mom and dad taught me how to sew and they
both made clothes for me (mom more than dad). I learned how to make things for myself, and LOVED home ec classes
because I got credit for doing something I absolutely loved. I have had a few misses (such as the retro outfit - full
skirt, thanks to a HUGE crinoline, with an off the shoulder top....never finished that crinoline, never wore the
outfit), but in general, I have been able to work with my body type and personal preferences to come up with
soimething that works. IN high school, I was always ahead of trends...still not sure how that happened as I was not in
the head clique. But I can remember when military styled jackets first came into popularity in the late 80s...I had
been wearing them for months!! ANd prom of my junior year, I wor a strapless, mint green (SO not my color) dress with
a mermaid hemline.....trends were: straplees; pastel colors; mermaid hemlines.....go figure that one out!!! Best I can
say with regards to clothing is to find something that truly flatters you - don't be afraid to ask for help from
salespeople to find something that really looks good and makes you FEEL good!! I have to agree with Kate about the
glasses - I have a round face as well, and when I got my last pair of glasses, they told me my frames were only making
it look rounder! I now have small oval shaped frames and I love them (good thing I don't still need bifocals or else I
couldn't have these frames). I was told that, they pupil should be in the center of the lens, and the glasses should
only be *slightly* bigger than the area of the eye...hence the new frames...took a while to get used to, but I
wouldn't go back to the others for anything. SOmething to consider for the future. Let's see....hair...well, I
covered that a little bit earlier. However, I have been jet black, white blonde, neon red, strawberry blonde, and on
one horriffic misadventure, gatorade yellow (bleaching gone awry, was fixed with a second bleaching then a light brown
dye applied). I am currently at my natural color - deep auburn....only now, it is getting those lovely silver
highlights in it (either don't show up or show up all at once, 1 at a time is driving me mad!). It is very fine, but
very thick...AND it is incredibly wavy. Of course, I knew this, but refused to do anything with it as both my DH and
I like me having long hair. ENter a dear friend from church...she told me I was a frizzball and asked how I wore my
hair - usually in a ponytail because it was so heavy and worthless if it was down. She didn't take much off the back
length, but she cut in long layers, which eased out the frizz and brought out my natural curls...looks completely
different!! I have never seen my hair look like this before, and I love it!! Just something to think about - even if
you are "used" to a certain haircut, doesn't mean that it is the right one for you - lifestyle, face shape,
etc. are all things you should take into consideration. Guess that's about it....just fyi, I am usually in jeans and a
t-shirt unless it's something where I have to look like more than a SAHM...in shich case, I lean towards slacks and a
nice top...sometimes you can get me to wear a skirt or dress, but only on the days where I am not dealing with
hormonal issues. Larisa, who is still sick but wanted to get a jump on this thread [quote:6f6f59b932] Part of it is
having been raised with the mantra that God blessed me and I didn't need make up and stuff to mask it all. For the most
part, I believe the philosophy (in the sense that we are the way we are supposed to be, etc.) and while I tended to
leave God out of it, frequently shared that philosophy with my students (middle schoolers) when the question inevitably
came up why I was one of maybe two or three female teachers in our building who didn't wear make-up. That was fine in
that enviroment -- I might have gotten more respect from some of the adults I dealt with if I had been "done
up" but I got through it okay. I suspect something that is hindering my ability to get hired lately is the fact
that I don't "do" make up and such -- with my baby face (and unfortunately being noticably overweight), I tend
to look younger than my age, which at times translates for some (I suspect) as flighty or incompetent. -- or like I just
"don't care" (current hormone issues resulting in pimples doesn't help dispel that myth either). Besides the
employment issue, I have been pondering trying to find out how to "do" make up properly for a while now --
simply so I *can* do it when the mood/situation strikes -- like going out for a nice evening with my husband or to a
wedding, etc. Hence, realizing I have virtually no knowledge in an area many women seem to have plenty, I thought I'd
ask where that knowledge came from...where did you learn it? Pondering, Tricia [/quote:6f6f59b932]

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Posted by Sandy Foster on Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:36 AM    Post subject: Re: Storing Fabric

In article <marcella-8721F6.16573631082006@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, Marcella Peek
<marcella@extra.peek.org> wrote: [quote:66286e7ff5]Me three. I was invited to a baby shower and we weren't told
in advance about the "no shoe rule" I nearly froze to death in my bare feet. Had I known, I would have worn
socks. We did get invited to a housewarming and were given the heads up on no shoes. I wore cute sandals, but had nice
socks tucked in my purse. My husband thought I was nuts but I was warm. marcella [/quote:66286e7ff5] Me four. An awful
lot of people in this area seem to require no shoes in the house, and it drives me crazy. DH gets downright insulted.
As Taria says, what dogs (and barefoot children!) bring in has to be as bad or worse than what our shoes bring in. I
think it has more to do with keeping carpets looking nice than with being sanitary, but the same dog/children thing
works there, too. At least here it's not usually as cold as in some places. [quote:66286e7ff5] In article
<OcIJg.9214$4O4.970@trnddc02>, Taria <tariawilson@verizon.net> wrote: Boy, I'm with you Pat. Nothing more
insulting than someone telling me I have to take my shoes off once I am already at the house. (happened once for a
meeting) DH wouldn't go in a home where he had to take his shoes off. They protect his feet and if he is about he has
shoes on (his mom was a seamstress and he knows the pin problem too well) My pooch brings in more 'stuff' than my shoes
ever would. Not only am I a casual housekeeper (a term from Texas ; ) we live a casual lifestyle. Growing up with a
mom that had floors clean enough to eat on was my lesson! Taria Pat in Virginia wrote: Well, since I don't walk around
or eat my meals on the floor, whatever 'nasty stuff' comes in on my shoes won't affect me any more than it does when I'm
walking outdoors. I have no objection to people requiring a guest to remove shoes, but I do NOT like not to be
forewarned, so I can bring a pair of socks or house shoes to wear indoors. PAT Boca Jan wrote: We never wear shoes in
the house. Think of all the nasty stuff that is on sidewalks, parking lots and even grass. I keep an "inhouse"
pair of flip flops to wear in the sewing room because of pins and sometimes wear them around the house. We have all tile
and it can be hard on my feet. [/quote:66286e7ff5] -- Sandy in Henderson, near Las Vegas my ISP is earthlink.net --
put sfoster1(at) in front http://home.earthlink.net/~sfoster1 AKA Dame Sandy, Minister of Education

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Posted by Marcella Peek on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:57 AM    Post subject: Re: Storing Fabric

Me three. I was invited to a baby shower and we weren't told in advance about the "no shoe rule" I nearly
froze to death in my bare feet. Had I known, I would have worn socks. We did get invited to a housewarming and were
given the heads up on no shoes. I wore cute sandals, but had nice socks tucked in my purse. My husband thought I was
nuts but I was warm. marcella In article <OcIJg.9214$4O4.970@trnddc02>, Taria <tariawilson@verizon.net>
wrote: [quote:c9a6f1e0d1]Boy, I'm with you Pat. Nothing more insulting than someone telling me I have to take my shoes
off once I am already at the house. (happened once for a meeting) DH wouldn't go in a home where he had to take his
shoes off. They protect his feet and if he is about he has shoes on (his mom was a seamstress and he knows the pin
problem too well) My pooch brings in more 'stuff' than my shoes ever would. Not only am I a casual housekeeper (a term
from Texas ; ) we live a casual lifestyle. Growing up with a mom that had floors clean enough to eat on was my lesson!
Taria Pat in Virginia wrote: Well, since I don't walk around or eat my meals on the floor, whatever 'nasty stuff' comes
in on my shoes won't affect me any more than it does when I'm walking outdoors. I have no objection to people requiring
a guest to remove shoes, but I do NOT like not to be forewarned, so I can bring a pair of socks or house shoes to wear
indoors. PAT Boca Jan wrote: We never wear shoes in the house. Think of all the nasty stuff that is on sidewalks,
parking lots and even grass. I keep an "inhouse" pair of flip flops to wear in the sewing room because of pins
and sometimes wear them around the house. We have all tile and it can be hard on my feet. [/quote:c9a6f1e0d1]

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Posted by Taria on Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:07 PM    Post subject: Re: Storing Fabric

Boy, I'm with you Pat. Nothing more insulting than someone telling me I have to take my shoes off once I am already at
the house. (happened once for a meeting) DH wouldn't go in a home where he had to take his shoes off. They protect
his feet and if he is about he has shoes on (his mom was a seamstress and he knows the pin problem too well) My pooch
brings in more 'stuff' than my shoes ever would. Not only am I a casual housekeeper (a term from Texas ; ) we live a
casual lifestyle. Growing up with a mom that had floors clean enough to eat on was my lesson! Taria Pat in Virginia
wrote: [quote:fae2e3991b]Well, since I don't walk around or eat my meals on the floor, whatever 'nasty stuff' comes in
on my shoes won't affect me any more than it does when I'm walking outdoors. I have no objection to people requiring a
guest to remove shoes, but I do NOT like not to be forewarned, so I can bring a pair of socks or house shoes to wear
indoors. PAT Boca Jan wrote: We never wear shoes in the house. Think of all the nasty stuff that is on sidewalks,
parking lots and even grass. I keep an "inhouse" pair of flip flops to wear in the sewing room because of pins
and sometimes wear them around the house. We have all tile and it can be hard on my feet. [/quote:fae2e3991b]

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Posted by Susan Torrens on Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:41 PM    Post subject: Re: Storing Fabric

I always wear my shoes in the house, whether at mine or someone else's home. I have a problem with my feet that is
corrected by wearing orthotics and supportive shoes. Without them I can only walk a step or two without pain. I explain
this when I go to visit, and it is never a problem. -- Susan in Kingston ON staying cool quilting in the basement
http://community.webshots.com/user/sbtinkingston "Taria" <tariawilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:OcIJg.9214$4O4.970@trnddc02... [quote:bbf407e0e9]Boy, I'm with you Pat. Nothing more insulting than someone
telling me I have to take my shoes off once I am already at the house. (happened once for a meeting) DH wouldn't go in
a home where he had to take his shoes off. They protect his feet and if he is about he has shoes on (his mom was a
seamstress and he knows the pin problem too well) My pooch brings in more 'stuff' than my shoes ever would. Not only am
I a casual housekeeper (a term from Texas ; ) we live a casual lifestyle. Growing up with a mom that had floors clean
enough to eat on was my lesson! Taria Pat in Virginia wrote: Well, since I don't walk around or eat my meals on the
floor, whatever 'nasty stuff' comes in on my shoes won't affect me any more than it does when I'm walking outdoors. I
have no objection to people requiring a guest to remove shoes, but I do NOT like not to be forewarned, so I can bring a
pair of socks or house shoes to wear indoors. PAT Boca Jan wrote: We never wear shoes in the house. Think of all the
nasty stuff that is on sidewalks, parking lots and even grass. I keep an "inhouse" pair of flip flops to wear
in the sewing room because of pins and sometimes wear them around the house. We have all tile and it can be hard on my
feet. [/quote:bbf407e0e9]

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View entire thread: Bluff...... whimper
Posted by Christina Peterson on Tue May 23, 2006 8:23 AM    Post subject: Re: glad to see you back, was: Re: Bluff...... whimper

Hi Maren, We've had some windy days and been unable to burn, so I'm finally getting caught up a little on the group
here. This burning has just absolutely been a priority for me, and I'm just burnt myself! But in another week or so,
I'll no longer be able to burn. Today I was at it for 5 hours, then wet down the perimeter and let the heap of coals
smolder down. Tomorrow I'll have help dragging wood from the same area for a fourth day, and then I'll burn about 20
feet further along the section line right of way. I just hope I can get another 10 fires done. The cool thing though
is that I'm spending a lot of time in the yard and get to see everything coming up. Last week it was the birch, which
are now filling out. This morning I saw the leaves of the "high bush cranberry", which is actually in the
honeysuckle family and is also called cramp bark for its medicinal properties. I also see the wild roses getting ready
to unfurl their leaves, and discovered a new patch of wild red currants. Memorial Day weekend is the traditional week
for putting in gardens here. All danger of frost is usually over then. But for me it will have to wait until after I
finish burning. Then I'll put some heavy rough cut lumber along my few garden rows. I have a large sheet of pure ice
under my house, called an ice lens, so I want to raise a few beds. But I'm getting ahead of myself. This week we
expect a visit from a fascinating women from one of the Yupiq villages (she won't be staying here) who used to be a
tramp. What a lifestyle -- so free that it demands great attention and responsibility. And next week, an old friend
returns from 2 years in Mexico. We'll get her at the airport in the morning and put her to bed. I imagine her flight
leaves the previous afternoon. Sleeping guests are easy! Sounds like you've been having adventures too. And oh yes,
Phase I of the gov't grant for my friend's engine is finished at the end of May. I think we find out about Phase II in
June. And somewhere in there I'm going to try to get my house back in order, my beads back under control (imagine me
with whip and chair like the Barnum and Bailey lion tamer), and doing something creative again. Tina
<m.purves@jach.hawaii.edu> wrote in message news:1147774609.679871.153950@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[quote:733ad99393]Tina, Glad to see you here again. Hope things are going OK? Maren Palms, Etc.: Tropical Plant Seeds
- Hand-made Jewelry - Plants & Lilikoi http://www.jach.hawaii.edu/~maren/palms_etc/ Christina Peterson wrote:
Usually I can hang back and admire Kim Neely without it breaking my heart, but oh my! She's doing it in blues this
time. Technical excellence, design excellence, originality, and such colors! Gorgeous http://cgi.ebay.com/BLUFF-
Lampwork-Beads-The-Deepest-Blue-Part-2_W0QQitemZ8937187297QQcategoryZ34070QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem and gorgeouser
http://cgi.ebay.com/BLUFF-Lampwork-Beads-The-Deepest-Blue_W0QQitemZ8937185700QQcategoryZ34070QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Tina
[/quote:733ad99393]

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View entire thread: OT: Here we go again...
Posted by whodunit on Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:19 PM    Post subject: Re: OT: Here we go again...

a-scrapbooking-diva wrote: [quote:0009f43b46]A friend of mine who works for a computer company put the tracer on it.
Verizon DSL and American On Line refused to help. The funny thing is that his (the thief's) parents are here on very
expired tourist visas (they expired in 1988). So guess who is getting deported under the new INS rules. LOL. I so
don't want to hear "but we have a job here, a home, a nice car, a lifestyle. Why would you want to take it away
from us." Gee I don't know, because you are here illegally? Your son is a thief. Because it is wrong. LOL. What a
can of worms. All i wanted was my sense of security back. Good for you!!! I get so sick of people who say "You
hate immigrants!!"[/quote:0009f43b46] because you want THE LAWS TO BE FOLLOWED. Good role model those parents
turned out to be, regardless of their lifestyle or how many taxes they paid or social security they added to...they were
BREAKING THE LAWS all over the place, and that's just wrong. Glad they've been caught and won't put anyone else through
the grief you've had to deal with. Identity theft is a horrible thing, despite those very funny commercials you see on
tv. {{{{{Hugs}}}} Carolyne in TX (And if anyone gets mad, I'm married to a legal immigrant!)

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View entire thread: What is OUT of style?
Posted by Klara on Fri Jun 23, 2006 11:32 AM    Post subject: Re: What is OUT of style?

Hello everyone, I have been reading this thread with interest because I am new to scrapbooking and the opinions of
"seasoned" scrapbookers are always valuable. Anyway, here my contribution: Magazines - I live in the UK
where we have really only three scrapbooking magazines at the moment but I think they are all excellent (they seem to be
starting and folding fast because they are not very profitable). I have also just subscribed to Creating Keepsakes and
my husband also brought me some US magazines. I must say there is one big difference in the magazine content: the CK
magazine contains a lot of - quite small - layouts for inspiration but little "how-to" articles while in the
UK magazines there are quite in-depth articles on techniques and larger layout photos with notes on achieving them (but
overall fewer layouts in a magazine). Current layout trends - I also notice that a lot of layouts these days are just
one photo portrait-type, moment-in-time layouts with a short title and little journaling, the photo framed with various
co-ordinated papers and flowers. To me, those kind of layouts are just large decorative cards - I think journaling is
very important. (Saying that, I am not always that good at journaling and I prefer to keep it hidden if there is a lot
of it - so yes, my layouts are just large decorative cards at first sight...) I also have a CK issue with Hall of Fame
winners for (I think) last year. One thing that strikes me about all these layouts - they were all so similar and they
looked more like pages from a lifestyle magazine, with straight lines and computer-generated columns of text and little
textures or 3D embellishments. I think this very "graphic" look (though clean and quick & easy to
achieve) might be going out of fashion a little, and that's why things more "organic" things like handwritten
journaling and doodling are coming in - as a complete opposite to the almost impersonal computer journaling! To me
scrapbooking is not flat, straight and computer-generated - I just like collage-style pages with flowing shapes,
textures, ribbons, fabric, 3D embellishments - so that I can look as well as "feel" the page. (Well, as I
said, I am new to scrapbooking so this might change in time.) Another thing that I find quite bizarre at the moment is
that almost all layouts in magazines seem to include flowers - even ones with rough boys playing sports! Yes, OK, my
layouts contain flowers too and one of my personal challenges is create a layout with no flowers! Decorative scissors
and cutting out of photos - well, I cannot imagine cutting my photos into various shapes (I hope that will not come back
in fashion). I have recently discovered a scrapbook use for those deckle-edged scissors: I have been scanning and
printing a lot of old photos from 1920s-1050s and they have that beautiful edge - so I cut the edge of the scanned photo
too. Klara

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View entire thread: Last one out please turn off the lights........
Posted by Gunner on Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:37 AM    Post subject: Re: Last one out please turn off the lights........

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:54:53 -0500, F. George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
[quote:215b7ac938] B-52s nonstop for the next 3 yrs on every hotbed of Jihadism The LeMay Method. Better them, than
us. Gunner =========== As usual you have a good point, but unfortunately this is only one horn of the dilemma. The
other horn is the people that are largely causing this problem in the first place, by aggressively exporting and
attempting to impose their version of the "brave new one world order" western lifestyle on everyone, don't
want the "klingons" dead, they want them converted into (1) good little passive consumers, and (2) docile
employees (both male and female), and no material damage to the infrastructure (much of which they own), unless they are
into construction [KBR]. FWIW: the people in category (1) and (2) are in fact the same people, and the trans-national
corporations intend to collect sizable fees for setting this up and operating it… [/quote:215b7ac938] Leon Klinghoffer
was the payback for a Brave New World Order? This has been going on far longer than Bush1. So your statement, while
good on the surface..rather well thought out..wont hold water. Gunner "If I'm going to reach out to the the
Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around."
"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right before demode` (out of fashion). -Buddy Jordan
2001

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Posted by F. George McDuffee on Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:54 PM    Post subject: Re: Last one out please turn off the lights........

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 05:53:23 GMT, Gunner <gunnerNOSPAM@lightspeed.net> wrote: [quote:f5a6d8fc6d]On Tue, 12 Sep
2006 23:08:30 -0500, F. George McDuffee gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote: The Islamic Fundamentalist has a
perception of the world far different that the typical westerner, but he/she is not stupid, and has repeatedly
demonstrated a set of cajones the size of basketballs. For Star Trek fans, in many ways they are human
"Klingons," thus calling them names or insulting their family lineage, will not improve relations. True
enough. So we just kill them. As many as necessary in as large job lots as necessary. They wont moderate their
stance, they want us dead or converted. There is no middle ground. B-52s nonstop for the next 3 yrs on every hotbed of
Jihadism The LeMay Method. Better them, than us. Gunner ===========[/quote:f5a6d8fc6d] As usual you have a good
point, but unfortunately this is only one horn of the dilemma. The other horn is the people that are largely causing
this problem in the first place, by aggressively exporting and attempting to impose their version of the "brave new
one world order" western lifestyle on everyone, don't want the "klingons" dead, they want them converted
into (1) good little passive consumers, and (2) docile employees (both male and female), and no material damage to the
infrastructure (much of which they own), unless they are into construction [KBR]. FWIW: the people in category (1) and
(2) are in fact the same people, and the trans-national corporations intend to collect sizable fees for setting this up
and operating it… I consider it the height of arrogance and hypocrisy for the "citizens of the world" that
are running the transnational corporations, and increasing the governments, to wrap themselves in the appropriate
national flag and proclaim that the Islamic fundamentalists are at war with civilization, when in fact what the Islamic
fundamentalists are at war with is their compulsory participation in the "Brave New One World Order." Recent
media reports of preliminary contacts and tentative cooperation between/among anti-globalization NGOs and the
traditional non-aligned/anti-American countries should be sending a shot of cold p*** to the hearts of Washington one-
world advocates and trans-national CEOs. While this development seems to be largely based on the old and frequently
erroneous adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," such cooperative/collaborative efforts have the
potential to be far more dangerous to the "Brave New One World Order" in the long run than spectacular terror
operations such as 9-11 that generally impact only innocent bystanders, or at most passive supporters, and have minimal
long-term effects. Such activities could include the establishment of informal trade blocks/agreements, covert
financial networks, gold-/silver-backed currencies, and technology/methodology espionage/transfer from the
plants/operations established by the transnational corporations. Even the exchange, collation, and especially the
publication of information about the plans, methods, problems, and products, will prove to be extremely upsetting to the
trans-nationals, given their increasingly paranoia, as exemplified by HPs over-reaction to board "leaks."
FWIW -- England attempted to export and impose their culture/economic system [which they knew to be right, proper, and
ordained by God] in Ireland for 800 years, even attempting genocide several times, the latest being the so-called potato
famine (1845-1849) where huge quantities of food were exported from Ireland to England, while hundreds of thousands of
Irish starved. (Stalin should have been proud, and awarded a belated Ukraine medal.) It is true that Ireland has, by-
and-large, now accepted the Western European lifestyle, but only after they gave the Brits the boot in 1922/1937.
Unka George (George McDuffee) ...................................................................... The arbitrary rule
of a just and enlightened prince is always bad. His virtues are the most dangerous and the surest form of seduction:
they lull a people imperceptibly into the habit of loving, respecting, and serving his successor, whoever that
successor may be, no matter how wicked or stupid. Denis Diderot (1713-84), French philosopher. Refutation of
Helvétius (written 1773-76; first published 1875; repr. in Selected Writings, ed. by Lester G. Crocker, 1966).

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View entire thread: Where Have All the Welders Gone, As Manufacturing and Repair
Posted by Cliff on Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:09 PM    Post subject: Re: Where Have All the Welders Gone, As Manufacturing and Re

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:02:41 -0500, F. George McDuffee <gmcduffee@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
[quote:71263c73a3]On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:15:53 -0400, Cliff <Clhuprich@aol.com wrote: snip A great many will be
totally unemployable once out of the military. If older, perhaps homeless. snip While it is not sufficient reason to
bring it back, the US military during the draft was the worlds largest and most effective vocational training school,
covering almost all areas of human activity. Even areas like personal hygiene, such as how you really get the clap,
that were skimmed over (or omitted) in high school were covered in detail. It is disingenuous to fault the military
because a number of their "graduates" don't make it in civilian life. [/quote:71263c73a3] They pretty much
started with wingers & fundies. [quote:71263c73a3]Anyone from a poverty area, inner city or rural, stands a much
better chance after their military experience, if only because they were able to stay drug free for three years. The
problem is that many of the "graduates" go back to the neighborhoods where they came from and fall back into
that lifestyle. [/quote:71263c73a3] Never release the prisoners back into their old comfy environment. Get them jobs
in different parts of the nation. [quote:71263c73a3]If you or I lived in those areas, we would be in danger of trying
to make a living running a squeegee franchise on a corner, dealing recreational vegetable substances, dumpster diving,
or can/bottle scavenging. The choice for these people is not between Princeton and State U., it is between the US
military and nothing. What the military does is show them there is an alternative -- it can't make the choice for them.
[/quote:71263c73a3] Education would be better & cheaper. But fewer fundies & wingers in the end. -- Cliff

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View entire thread: Where Have All the Welders Gone, As Manufacturing and Repair
Posted by F. George McDuffee on Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:02 AM    Post subject: Re: Where Have All the Welders Gone, As Manufacturing and Re

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:15:53 -0400, Cliff <Clhuprich@aol.com> wrote: <snip> [quote:72e09e447b]A great many
will be totally unemployable once out of the military. If older, perhaps homeless. snip[/quote:72e09e447b] While it is
not sufficient reason to bring it back, the US military during the draft was the worlds largest and most effective
vocational training school, covering almost all areas of human activity. Even areas like personal hygiene, such as how
you really get the clap, that were skimmed over (or omitted) in high school were covered in detail. It is disingenuous
to fault the military because a number of their "graduates" don't make it in civilian life. Anyone from a
poverty area, inner city or rural, stands a much better chance after their military experience, if only because they
were able to stay drug free for three years. The problem is that many of the "graduates" go back to the
neighborhoods where they came from and fall back into that lifestyle. If you or I lived in those areas, we would be in
danger of trying to make a living running a squeegee franchise on a corner, dealing recreatio